| --- Log opened Wed Apr 02 11:03:56 2008 | ||
| wwoods | starting up the logging | 11:04 |
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| wwoods | whee fun | 11:04 |
| EvilBob | morning? | 11:04 |
| viking-ice | morning | 11:04 |
| wwoods | Once again, we don't have an official agenda | 11:05 |
| wwoods | Mostly I just want to do a roundup of the current Blocker/Tracker bugs | 11:06 |
| wwoods | there's too many to actually go through the lists right now | 11:06 |
| wwoods | but some triage help on them would be very, very helpful | 11:06 |
| -!- wwoods changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: F9 Blocker / Tracker bugs | 11:06 | |
| wwoods | oops | 11:06 |
| -!- wwoods changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora QA | F9 Blocker / Tracker bugs | 11:06 | |
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| * jlaska lurking | 11:06 | |
| wwoods | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/showdependencytree.cgi?id=235706&hide_resolved=1 | 11:06 |
| wwoods | that's the blocker list | 11:06 |
| jlaska | quite a list :) | 11:07 |
| wwoods | oh wait | 11:07 |
| wwoods | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/showdependencytree.cgi?id=F9Blocker&hide_resolved=1 | 11:07 |
| wwoods | that's nicer | 11:07 |
| wwoods | and https://bugzilla.redhat.com/showdependencytree.cgi?id=F9Target&hide_resolved=1 | 11:07 |
| wwoods | neither list has been triaged very well | 11:07 |
| wwoods | we started doing that this week | 11:07 |
| wwoods | there are probably things that need to be on the blocker list (just heard about a glibc problem that can make yum segfault.. yeek) | 11:08 |
| wwoods | and there's definitely stuff on there that is not a release blocker | 11:08 |
| wwoods | so. | 11:08 |
| wwoods | as normal, anything in NEW probably needs triage | 11:09 |
| wwoods | once it's deemed acceptable (and on the right blocker list), put it into ASSIGNED | 11:09 |
| wwoods | if there's any weird issues that you've seen that you haven't reported yet | 11:10 |
| wwoods | now is the time | 11:10 |
| wwoods | there's 8 days until the Preview Release and I'm going to be gone all next week | 11:10 |
| wwoods | Once I come back, it's going to be a serious battle to get anything added to the blocker list | 11:10 |
| wwoods | it's already overstuffed | 11:10 |
| -!- wwoods changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora QA | Preview Release process | 11:12 | |
| wwoods | speaking of which | 11:12 |
| wwoods | like I said - I'm not gonna be here for the Preview Release | 11:12 |
| wwoods | so I need people to take over for me for a week | 11:12 |
| wwoods | jwb: you still gonna do ppc testing? | 11:12 |
| * jwb wakes up | 11:13 | |
| wwoods | jlaska: can you do some install testing as well? | 11:13 |
| jwb | wwoods, testing of Preview? | 11:13 |
| jwb | wwoods, yes, as much as i can | 11:13 |
| f13 | oh yeah, meeting | 11:13 |
| jlaska | wwoods: I can pick up on the ppc stuff as well | 11:13 |
| wwoods | f13: yup | 11:14 |
| viking-ice | poelcat was just mentioning rawhide snapshot has been move to friday.. | 11:14 |
| jwb | jlaska, cool | 11:14 |
| f13 | we attempt compose on Thursday, release thursday night or Friday morning | 11:14 |
| poelcat | viking-ice: no, the schedule was wrong | 11:14 |
| jlaska | that serial console issue is a big pita for headless ppc systems | 11:14 |
| f13 | what issue? | 11:14 |
| poelcat | viking-ice: my mistake | 11:15 |
| wwoods | bug #? | 11:15 |
| viking-ice | poelcat oh ok.. | 11:16 |
| wwoods | jds2001: around? | 11:17 |
| wwoods | viking-ice: thanks for the daily rawhide testing, by the way. | 11:18 |
| wwoods | anyway, while I'm gone I need people to do testing on the PR (basically just rawhide testing, following the test cases) | 11:19 |
| wwoods | I'll create a test matrix page before I go | 11:19 |
| viking-ice | we also need to clean out all selinux reports before final.. | 11:19 |
| wwoods | I also need someone to track blocker bugs for the PR | 11:19 |
| wwoods | and somebody to give the final go/no-go from QA | 11:20 |
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| wwoods | actually, jeremy / notting / f13 / et. al. can probably figure it out, as they've done in the past | 11:20 |
| wwoods | but only if there's test results and a blocker list to look at | 11:20 |
| wwoods | viking-ice: oh definitely | 11:20 |
| wwoods | viking-ice: if possible, I think there's a bug triage meeting next? It would be really cool to organize an SELinux Bug Day | 11:21 |
| wwoods | very soon, if possible | 11:21 |
| viking-ice | good to start on friday's snapshot.. | 11:22 |
| DemonJester | wwoods: jds2001 said the meeting was cancelled for today :( | 11:22 |
| wwoods | oh really? bummer. | 11:22 |
| wwoods | well, I'll send mail to -test-list and/or -triage-list about it | 11:22 |
| wwoods | poelcat: can you and jds2001 take responsibility for the f9preview blocker bug? | 11:23 |
| poelcat | wwoods: sure; btw triage-list is not a 'people' list at this time | 11:24 |
| wwoods | poelcat: gotcha | 11:24 |
| wwoods | thanks. | 11:24 |
| poelcat | all the bz cleanup email spam will be directed there | 11:24 |
| wwoods | sensible. | 11:24 |
| poelcat | which starts tomorrow btw | 11:24 |
| viking-ice | dont know this qa issue but the default sound themes need switching.. atleast the startup sound.. | 11:24 |
| wwoods | viking-ice: yeah, I noticed the startup sound when I rebooted my machine yesterday | 11:25 |
| wwoods | that's Not Supposed To Happen | 11:25 |
| wwoods | did you file a bug or anything? | 11:25 |
| viking-ice | what about the sound actually working for change :) or a bug about the sound theme being crap | 11:26 |
| wwoods | you'll need to be more specific about the first one | 11:27 |
| wwoods | and the second one.. is a matter of preference, naturally. People would probably gratefully accept a brand-new sound theme, if you made one | 11:27 |
| wwoods | but yeah. if you haven't got a bugzilla number, we can't track the problems | 11:28 |
| wwoods | so find your bug (or file a new one) and we'll help track it down | 11:29 |
| EvilBob | Weekly snapshot per f13 will be on thursday this week | 11:29 |
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| viking-ice | think the sound theme should be on the fedora-art hand some thing that goes with the theme.. | 11:30 |
| wwoods | that's an interesting idea, actually | 11:30 |
| * EvilBob has really bad lag and will now shut up | 11:30 | |
| wwoods | viking-ice: sounds like something you could propose for F10 | 11:30 |
| f13 | EvilBob: attempted | 11:30 |
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| wwoods | it's only ~4 months until F10Alpha, after all | 11:30 |
| wwoods | the fun never stops! | 11:31 |
| viking-ice | RFE for better sound.. lol | 11:32 |
| viking-ice | theme | 11:32 |
| wwoods | seriously, man - set up a Feature page, get some people with sound experience | 11:33 |
| wwoods | figure out how to package sound themes | 11:33 |
| wwoods | make it happen! | 11:33 |
| viking-ice | see what I can do talk to some people later.. | 11:34 |
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| wwoods | viking-ice: awesome! Let me know if you need any help with the Feature process or anything | 11:34 |
| viking-ice | I need some *convincing* to do before I can move on.. | 11:35 |
| viking-ice | as in to the instrumental people I know.. | 11:36 |
| viking-ice | convincing them not me | 11:36 |
| wwoods | okay so - poelcat/jds2001 will handle the blocker bug for f9preview, jwb/jlaska/f13 (and anyone else feeling awesome) will work on the installer testing | 11:36 |
| wwoods | I'll create the blocker bug and the test matrix this week | 11:36 |
| poelcat | wwoods: i believe the blocker is already created | 11:37 |
| poelcat | wwoods: you're just asking us to to make sure what is actually on the blocker is sane? | 11:38 |
| wwoods | there's a blocker for f9preview already? nice | 11:38 |
| wwoods | yeah - make sure it's sane, make sure issues that appear during testing get put on it | 11:38 |
| poelcat | wwoods: is there any existing criteria we should be referencing? | 11:38 |
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| wwoods | poelcat: standard ReleaseCriteria (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/ReleaseCriteria) | 11:39 |
| poelcat | okay | 11:39 |
| wwoods | and Tier1/Tier2 from http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/TestPlans/Fedora9Install | 11:39 |
| wwoods | but we have to use some judgement here, since there's weekly snapshots | 11:40 |
| wwoods | It might be OK if (e.g.) /usr on raid6 doesn't work for F9Preview, especially if the fix is due to land before the next snapshot | 11:41 |
| wwoods | so something like that could probably be allowed to drop off the blocker list | 11:41 |
| wwoods | OTOH ext2 on native device? yeah that has to work. | 11:41 |
| wwoods | so - those are the guidelines, but I trust your judgement | 11:42 |
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| wwoods | the final decision on release will probably be left up to notting or someone else with more experience than me.. but they need to be kept informed by QA | 11:43 |
| jlaska | wwoods: is there a landing spot for release notes ... in the example you give ... say raid6 fails, and we decide not to fix it ... is there a process by which we can note the failure, and any workarounds, and move on? | 11:44 |
| jds2001 | wwoods: gack, yes im here now :/ | 11:44 |
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| wwoods | jlaska: IIRC the people doing the release notes follow the test matrix / blocker list | 11:44 |
| wwoods | you can specifically flag a bug as 'needs release note' | 11:44 |
| wwoods | to get the attention of our lovely & talented docs team | 11:45 |
| jlaska | wwoods: using the release_note bz flag? | 11:45 |
| wwoods | yeah | 11:45 |
| wwoods | okay then. that's about all I've got | 11:46 |
| -!- wwoods changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora QA | misc. | 11:46 | |
| wwoods | anything else we should discuss? | 11:46 |
| wwoods | OK then - back to testing and fiddling with the bug lists for me | 11:48 |
| wwoods | thanks for your time, folks | 11:48 |
| viking-ice | softer toilet paper in all public toilets cause worth fighting for.. | 11:48 |
| jds2001 | sorry i was late :) | 11:48 |
| * wwoods votes for softer TP and cooler sound effects! | 11:48 | |
| jds2001 | and sorry for not sending the "no triage meeting" announcement :) | 11:48 |
| -!- wwoods changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: /topic Channel is used by various Fedora groups and committees for their regular meetings | Note that meetings often get logged | For questions about using Fedora please ask in #fedora | See http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/FedoraMeetingChannel for meeting schedule | 11:49 | |
| jds2001 | i think we're gonna go to every other week, fwiw | 11:49 |
| wwoods | oops | 11:49 |
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| wwoods | jds2001: yeah, that's probably best. QA can probably stand to be every-other-week during the quieter times (e.g. the first month or two of a rawhide cycle) | 11:49 |
| wwoods | once we get past Beta though, it's definitely a weekly thing | 11:50 |
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| jsmith | Meeting? | 15:21 |
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