--- Log opened Wed Apr 02 11:03:56 2008
wwoodsstarting up the logging11:04
wwoodswhee fun11:04
wwoodsOnce again, we don't have an official agenda11:05
wwoodsMostly I just want to do a roundup of the current Blocker/Tracker bugs11:06
wwoodsthere's too many to actually go through the lists right now11:06
wwoodsbut some triage help on them would be very, very helpful11:06
-!- wwoods changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: F9 Blocker / Tracker bugs11:06
-!- wwoods changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora QA | F9 Blocker / Tracker bugs11:06
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* jlaska lurking11:06
wwoodsthat's the blocker list11:06
jlaskaquite a list :)11:07
wwoodsoh wait11:07
wwoodsthat's nicer11:07
wwoodsand https://bugzilla.redhat.com/showdependencytree.cgi?id=F9Target&hide_resolved=111:07
wwoodsneither list has been triaged very well11:07
wwoodswe started doing that this week11:07
wwoodsthere are probably things that need to be on the blocker list (just heard about a glibc problem that can make yum segfault.. yeek)11:08
wwoodsand there's definitely stuff on there that is not a release blocker11:08
wwoodsso. 11:08
wwoodsas normal, anything in NEW probably needs triage11:09
wwoodsonce it's deemed acceptable (and on the right blocker list), put it into ASSIGNED11:09
wwoodsif there's any weird issues that you've seen that you haven't reported yet11:10
wwoodsnow is the time11:10
wwoodsthere's 8 days until the Preview Release and I'm going to be gone all next week11:10
wwoodsOnce I come back, it's going to be a serious battle to get anything added to the blocker list11:10
wwoodsit's already overstuffed11:10
-!- wwoods changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora QA | Preview Release process11:12
wwoodsspeaking of which11:12
wwoodslike I said - I'm not gonna be here for the Preview Release11:12
wwoodsso I need people to take over for me for a week11:12
wwoodsjwb: you still gonna do ppc testing?11:12
* jwb wakes up11:13
wwoodsjlaska: can you do some install testing as well?11:13
jwbwwoods, testing of Preview?11:13
jwbwwoods, yes, as much as i can11:13
f13oh yeah, meeting11:13
jlaskawwoods: I can pick up on the ppc stuff as well11:13
wwoodsf13: yup11:14
viking-icepoelcat was just mentioning rawhide snapshot has been move to friday..11:14
jwbjlaska, cool11:14
f13we attempt compose on Thursday, release thursday night or Friday morning11:14
poelcatviking-ice: no, the schedule was wrong11:14
jlaskathat serial console issue is a big pita for headless ppc systems11:14
f13what issue?11:14
poelcatviking-ice: my mistake11:15
wwoodsbug #?11:15
viking-icepoelcat oh ok..11:16
wwoodsjds2001: around?11:17
wwoodsviking-ice: thanks for the daily rawhide testing, by the way.11:18
wwoodsanyway, while I'm gone I need people to do testing on the PR (basically just rawhide testing, following the test cases)11:19
wwoodsI'll create a test matrix page before I go11:19
viking-icewe also need to clean out all selinux reports before final..11:19
wwoodsI also need someone to track blocker bugs for the PR11:19
wwoodsand somebody to give the final go/no-go from QA11:20
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wwoodsactually, jeremy / notting / f13 / et. al. can probably figure it out, as they've done in the past11:20
wwoodsbut only if there's test results and a blocker list to look at11:20
wwoodsviking-ice: oh definitely11:20
wwoodsviking-ice: if possible, I think there's a bug triage meeting next? It would be really cool to organize an SELinux Bug Day11:21
wwoodsvery soon, if possible11:21
viking-icegood to start on friday's snapshot..11:22
DemonJesterwwoods: jds2001 said the meeting was cancelled for today :(11:22
wwoodsoh really? bummer.11:22
wwoodswell, I'll send mail to -test-list and/or -triage-list about it11:22
wwoodspoelcat: can you and jds2001 take responsibility for the f9preview blocker bug?11:23
poelcatwwoods: sure; btw triage-list is not a 'people' list at this time11:24
wwoodspoelcat: gotcha11:24
poelcatall the bz cleanup email spam will be directed there11:24
poelcatwhich starts tomorrow btw11:24
viking-icedont know this qa issue but the default sound themes need switching.. atleast the startup sound..11:24
wwoodsviking-ice: yeah, I noticed the startup sound when I rebooted my machine yesterday11:25
wwoodsthat's Not Supposed To Happen11:25
wwoodsdid you file a bug or anything?11:25
viking-icewhat about the sound actually working for change :) or a bug about the sound theme being crap11:26
wwoodsyou'll need to be more specific about the first one11:27
wwoodsand the second one.. is a matter of preference, naturally. People would probably gratefully accept a brand-new sound theme, if you made one11:27
wwoodsbut yeah. if you haven't got a bugzilla number, we can't track the problems11:28
wwoodsso find your bug (or file a new one) and we'll help track it down11:29
EvilBobWeekly snapshot per f13 will be on thursday this week11:29
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viking-icethink the sound theme should be on the fedora-art hand some thing that goes with the theme..11:30
wwoodsthat's an interesting idea, actually11:30
* EvilBob has really bad lag and will now shut up11:30
wwoodsviking-ice: sounds like something you could propose for F1011:30
f13EvilBob: attempted11:30
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wwoodsit's only ~4 months until F10Alpha, after all11:30
wwoodsthe fun never stops!11:31
viking-iceRFE for better sound.. lol11:32
wwoodsseriously, man - set up a Feature page, get some people with sound experience11:33
wwoodsfigure out how to package sound themes11:33
wwoodsmake it happen!11:33
viking-icesee what I can do talk to some people later..11:34
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wwoodsviking-ice: awesome! Let me know if you need any help with the Feature process or anything11:34
viking-iceI need some *convincing* to do before I can move on..11:35
viking-iceas in to the instrumental people I know..11:36
viking-iceconvincing them not me11:36
wwoodsokay so - poelcat/jds2001 will handle the blocker bug for f9preview, jwb/jlaska/f13 (and anyone else feeling awesome) will work on the installer testing11:36
wwoodsI'll create the blocker bug and the test matrix this week11:36
poelcatwwoods: i believe the blocker is already created11:37
poelcatwwoods: you're just asking us to to make sure what is actually on the blocker is sane?11:38
wwoodsthere's a blocker for f9preview already? nice11:38
wwoodsyeah - make sure it's sane, make sure issues that appear during testing get put on it11:38
poelcatwwoods: is there any existing criteria we should be referencing?11:38
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wwoodspoelcat: standard ReleaseCriteria (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/ReleaseCriteria)11:39
wwoodsand Tier1/Tier2 from http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/TestPlans/Fedora9Install11:39
wwoodsbut we have to use some judgement here, since there's weekly snapshots 11:40
wwoodsIt might be OK if (e.g.) /usr on raid6 doesn't work for F9Preview, especially if the fix is due to land before the next snapshot11:41
wwoodsso something like that could probably be allowed to drop off the blocker list11:41
wwoodsOTOH ext2 on native device? yeah that has to work.11:41
wwoodsso - those are the guidelines, but I trust your judgement11:42
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wwoodsthe final decision on release will probably be left up to notting or someone else with more experience than me.. but they need to be kept informed by QA 11:43
jlaskawwoods: is there a landing spot for release notes ... in the example you give ... say raid6 fails, and we decide not to fix it ... is there a process by which we can note the failure, and any workarounds, and move on?11:44
jds2001wwoods: gack, yes im here now :/11:44
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wwoodsjlaska: IIRC the people doing the release notes follow the test matrix / blocker list11:44
wwoodsyou can specifically flag a bug as 'needs release note'11:44
wwoodsto get the attention of our lovely & talented docs team11:45
jlaskawwoods: using the release_note bz flag?11:45
wwoodsokay then. that's about all I've got11:46
-!- wwoods changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora QA | misc.11:46
wwoodsanything else we should discuss?11:46
wwoodsOK then - back to testing and fiddling with the bug lists for me11:48
wwoodsthanks for your time, folks11:48
viking-icesofter toilet paper in all public toilets cause worth fighting for..11:48
jds2001sorry i was late :)11:48
* wwoods votes for softer TP and cooler sound effects!11:48
jds2001and sorry for not sending the "no triage meeting" announcement :)11:48
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jds2001i think we're gonna go to every other week, fwiw11:49
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wwoodsjds2001: yeah, that's probably best. QA can probably stand to be every-other-week during the quieter times (e.g. the first month or two of a rawhide cycle)11:49
wwoodsonce we get past Beta though, it's definitely a weekly thing11:50
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