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| -!- Topic for #fedora-meeting: Channel is used by various Fedora groups and committees for their regular meetings | Note that meetings often get logged | For questions about using Fedora please ask in #fedora | See http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/FedoraMeetingChannel for meeting schedule | 10:59 | |
| -!- Topic set by Kevin_Kofler [n=Kevin_Ko@chello213047068123.17.14.vie.surfer.at] [Tue Jun 24 13:05:30 2008] | 10:59 | |
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| wwoods | QA meeting time! whee | 11:02 |
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| wwoods | jds2001, poelcat, jlaska, f13, skvidal (on vacation), viking-ice: pings | 11:03 |
| * viking-ice pings | 11:03 | |
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| * f13 | 11:04 | |
| wwoods | for the agenda: I thought I'd do a quick wrapup of FUDCon discussions | 11:04 |
| wwoods | talk about some of the work that's coming out of that (mostly Testopia-related) | 11:05 |
| wwoods | and that's all I've got written down. anything else? | 11:05 |
| wwoods | okay then, let's get started | 11:06 |
| * viking-ice thinks that is an good idea since he could not attend fudcon | 11:06 | |
| -!- wwoods changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora QA | FUDCon recap | 11:06 | |
| wwoods | okay. There were, if I remember right, three major areas of discussion | 11:07 |
| wwoods | 1) automated bug/crash reporting | 11:07 |
| wwoods | 2) What Is Rawhide and How Do We Test It? | 11:07 |
| wwoods | 3) using Testopia in Fedora | 11:07 |
| wwoods | the automated bug/crash reporting was mostly moved forward by a discussion that pjones, walters and I had over lunch | 11:09 |
| wwoods | walters sums it up here: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2008-June/msg01250.html | 11:09 |
| wwoods | and the ensuing thread (on fedora-devel-list) has some details. | 11:09 |
| wwoods | the one-line summary is: we want to a) make firefox start reporting stuff to mozilla, b) set up a fedora crash-report server, and c) get more crash reports out of fedora stuff | 11:10 |
| wwoods | main development work is being handled by walters and pjones; this may turn into an F10/F11 feature, as an evolved form of Apport (which was proposed around F7/F8) | 11:11 |
| wwoods | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/FeatureApport | 11:11 |
| wwoods | that's apport. | 11:11 |
| wwoods | if you're interested in knowing more, or helping out, talk to me or pjones or walters, or join that mail thread, or whatever. | 11:11 |
| wwoods | next topic: What Is Rawhide and How Do We Test It | 11:12 |
| wwoods | this was a discussion driven by f13 and poelcat dissecting what rawhide is actually supposed to be and how we should test it | 11:12 |
| wwoods | and how we can make sure that it's more useful more of the time | 11:12 |
| wwoods | poelcat sums up *that* discussion here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JohnPoelstra/ImproveRawhideF10 | 11:13 |
| wwoods | I'll try to do a two-line summary: | 11:13 |
| wwoods | 1) rawhide is really two things; an installable tree (with boot images and stuff) and a package repo. | 11:13 |
| wwoods | 2) We should make sure we can identify when rawhide is usable as one thing, or the other, or both, and we should keep around copies of "good" images/repos. | 11:14 |
| wwoods | for instance, today rawhide has no boot images, but it still works as a repo for doing updates, and you might be able to do an installation from today's rawhide tree using older, working images | 11:15 |
| wwoods | and we need to make that easier to do. | 11:15 |
| wwoods | and that leads us to the other major topic: using Testopia | 11:16 |
| -!- wwoods changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora QA | FUDCon recap | using Testopia | 11:16 | |
| * f13 has already made previous day's rawhide available as low of cost to Fedora as possible | 11:16 | |
| f13 | http://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/mash/ | 11:16 |
| wwoods | Testopia is a web-based tool (it's an addon to bugzilla actually) for tracking test cases/plans | 11:16 |
| wwoods | f13: ah, that's the preferred URL? is http://koji.fedoraproject.org/mash/ bad to use? | 11:16 |
| f13 | wwoods: yeah, koji. is the hub, and thus we don't want to add more traffic to it. kojipkgs is the place to go | 11:17 |
| wwoods | or are they equivalent? | 11:17 |
| wwoods | f13: understood. | 11:17 |
| f13 | in the future, koji. is likely going to redirect over to kojipkgs for that path (like as soon as I put in the puppet config change) | 11:17 |
| f13 | although we'd still like to use the kojipkgs url to skip even the redirect overhead. | 11:17 |
| wwoods | okay, so yeah, take note: if rawhide is broken, you can get to older rawhides from here: http://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/mash/ | 11:18 |
| wwoods | wow, that goes all the way back to Apr. 1 | 11:18 |
| f13 | we can tack on another url to that for easier memory | 11:18 |
| f13 | wwoods: it's a manual clean process, and we haven't cleaned in a while | 11:18 |
| wwoods | that's back before F9 was released | 11:18 |
| wwoods | that's impressive | 11:18 |
| f13 | but since that's largely just hardlinks to koji package otuput and only a few hundred megs of images/ that doesn't take up a lot of space | 11:18 |
| wwoods | oh: we're also going to try to produce a script for people who do their own mirroring of rawhide | 11:18 |
| wwoods | so they can keep a few days on their own without using a lot of space | 11:19 |
| wwoods | rad. thanks f13 | 11:19 |
| wwoods | so, yeah, Testopia. | 11:19 |
| wwoods | it currently lives here: http://publictest2.fedoraproject.org/testopia | 11:19 |
| wwoods | (note the change from "/bugzilla" - old bookmarks may need to be changed) | 11:20 |
| wwoods | this is a test instance and may change without much warning | 11:20 |
| wwoods | nevertheless - we're working on entering formal test cases for all the stuff we do to make sure rawhide / snapshots / milestones are ready to release | 11:20 |
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| viking-ice | http://publictest2.fedoraproject.org/testopia hooked to fas? | 11:20 |
| f13 | not currently, because it's still proof of concept | 11:21 |
| wwoods | viking-ice: not yet. it has its own account system. | 11:21 |
| f13 | A) no code written to interact with FAS | 11:21 |
| f13 | B) No audit of code to ensure protection of FAS info | 11:21 |
| wwoods | further, if you want to be able to edit test plans or add test cases, you need to be blessed as a Tester | 11:21 |
| wwoods | just ask in #fedora-qa or email me | 11:21 |
| wwoods | I know dmalcolm and I can bless people - there may be others | 11:22 |
| wwoods | so the UI is a bit confusing at first, and we are working on writing up some HOWTOs for basic tasks | 11:22 |
| viking-ice | wwoods: ok blessed as an tester in http://publictest2.fedoraproject.org/testopia ? | 11:22 |
| wwoods | viking-ice: yes | 11:22 |
| wwoods | it's got its own separate account system right now | 11:22 |
| * viking-ice got it :) | 11:22 | |
| wwoods | eventually we want it to be hooked into FAS and anyone in the 'qa' group will get blessed automatically | 11:22 |
| wwoods | but we're still working on it | 11:23 |
| wwoods | that reminds me | 11:23 |
| wwoods | ACTION: I still need to empty the QA group and start fresh | 11:23 |
| wwoods | preferably before we get Testopia using it for auth. | 11:23 |
| wwoods | anyway, if you look at, for example, https://publictest2.fedoraproject.org/testopia/tr_show_plan.cgi?plan_id=8 | 11:23 |
| wwoods | that's the Installation test plan, which should have the same test cases as the old matrix stuff on the wiki | 11:24 |
| wwoods | except.. wait. | 11:24 |
| wwoods | that's the wrong one. https://publictest2.fedoraproject.org/testopia/tr_show_plan.cgi?plan_id=2 | 11:24 |
| wwoods | is the F9 test plan | 11:24 |
| wwoods | but yes, the "Test Cases" tab shows the tests in that plan | 11:25 |
| wwoods | "Test Runs" shows the results of executing those plans | 11:25 |
| wwoods | on various arches and with various builds | 11:25 |
| wwoods | we do plan to use this to track testing of F10 milestones | 11:26 |
| wwoods | and nightly rawhide testing too | 11:26 |
| wwoods | We'll have a couple of Rawhide acceptance tests - basic smoke tests to see if rawhide is useful at all | 11:26 |
| wwoods | and then there's the Rawhide installation tests. | 11:26 |
| wwoods | so, basically, we're going to try to automatically run some simple tests | 11:26 |
| wwoods | and then you can check testopia each day | 11:26 |
| wwoods | and if it failed the automated simple tests, there's no point in trying to install rawhide that day | 11:27 |
| wwoods | but you will be able to check the older test runs and find out which ones *were* working | 11:27 |
| wwoods | and you can install from that one, using the http://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org/mash/ url | 11:27 |
| wwoods | so, soon we can identify good rawhide trees | 11:27 |
| wwoods | and you can go back and install from those | 11:28 |
| wwoods | yay! | 11:28 |
| wwoods | so yes, for my notes | 11:28 |
| wwoods | ACTION: write HOWTO guides (with screenshots) for common tasks | 11:28 |
| wwoods | some common tasks are things like.. running some tests, creating a new test plan (for packagers who want test plans for their package), viewing results, etc. | 11:29 |
| wwoods | ACTION: finish modeling rawhide acceptance tests from https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JohnPoelstra/ImproveRawhideF10 in Testopia | 11:29 |
| wwoods | so there we have it. Any questions? | 11:30 |
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| wwoods | well, that's everything I wanted to cover | 11:31 |
| DemonJester | Do we need blessed as a tester to view the plans as well? | 11:31 |
| wwoods | ACTION: bloooooooog about using Testopia | 11:31 |
| wwoods | DemonJester: unfortunately, yes | 11:31 |
| wwoods | there's a way to make the tests world-readable | 11:31 |
| wwoods | but it breaks some other stuff | 11:31 |
| wwoods | and we're trying to figure that one out | 11:31 |
| viking-ice | So the account creation db fucked up? | 11:32 |
| viking-ice | DBD::mysql::st execute failed | 11:32 |
| DemonJester | explains the error i got as well :-) | 11:32 |
| wwoods | viking-ice: bah. yeah, that's what fucks up when you make tests world-readable | 11:32 |
| wwoods | it's actually harmless | 11:32 |
| jmtaylor | the process still works, for some reason that error gets generated | 11:32 |
| wwoods | just looks bad | 11:32 |
| jmtaylor | I got it too but it still created my account... :/ | 11:32 |
| wwoods | dmalcolm is tracing that one - he's leading the dev efforts for Testopia here | 11:33 |
| wwoods | anyway let me know what your account names are if you want to be blessed as testers | 11:33 |
| wwoods | we had a session about Testopia at FUDCon, and people asked questions like "can you attach files to a specific run of a a test? Like log files?" | 11:34 |
| wwoods | the answer turns out to be yes, but we hadn't tried it yet and didn't quite know how the UI worked for that | 11:34 |
| wwoods | we're still learning | 11:34 |
| wwoods | okay, I'm gonna take that as "no questions" | 11:36 |
| DemonJester | wwoods: account name : bpowell01@gmail.com | 11:36 |
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| viking-ice | wwoods: account name: johannbg@fedoraproject.org | 11:37 |
| jmtaylor | wwoods: account name: jmtaylor90@gmail.com | 11:37 |
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| wwoods | done, done, and done | 11:38 |
| jmtaylor | thanks | 11:38 |
| DemonJester | thanks! | 11:39 |
| viking-ice | thanks! | 11:39 |
| wwoods | I'm sure you'll have questions about things you can do with testopia - I'll be in #fedora-qa all day and I'm happy to help people with it | 11:39 |
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| wwoods | I'll try to put a post on the planet with a basic overview of How To Do Some Testing | 11:39 |
| wwoods | very soon we'll be creating test runs for rawhide every day | 11:39 |
| wwoods | so there will always be stuff to do | 11:39 |
| wwoods | also, Alpha is coming way sooner than I care to think about | 11:40 |
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| wwoods | so, yes, welcome to testopia. it'll be a learning experience for us all. | 11:40 |
| wwoods | heh | 11:40 |
| wwoods | anything else we need to talk about? | 11:40 |
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| wwoods | okay then. thanks for your time, folks | 11:42 |
| wwoods | any testopia questions or comments can go to #fedora-qa or fedora-test-list | 11:42 |
| wwoods | or any other Fedora QA stuff, for that matter | 11:42 |
| wwoods | I'll try to wikify this log as soon as I figure out how | 11:42 |
| wwoods | thanks again! | 11:43 |
| viking-ice | no thank you | 11:43 |
| viking-ice | :) | 11:43 |
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| * Sparks is here for the Docs Meeting | 15:01 | |
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| Sparks | jsmith: Aren't you with stickster? | 15:02 |
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| jsmith | Sparks: guilty as charged... how'd you know? | 15:02 |
| * stickster is here | 15:02 | |
| stickster | Where's quaid? | 15:02 |
| Sparks | jsmith: I have a tracker on you... | 15:02 |
| * stickster checking agenda | 15:03 | |
| Sparks | stickster has an agenda? | 15:03 |
| * stickster still looking | 15:05 | |
| stickster | OK, got it | 15:06 |
| * ianweller waves | 15:06 | |
| stickster | Looks like there's a lot of stuff still hanging from the last meeting. | 15:06 |
| jsmith | imagine that | 15:06 |
| stickster | I think the leadership stuff is in our "done" pile, right? No objections, no changes, so no item needed. | 15:06 |
| ianweller | where is the agenda, for reference | 15:07 |
| stickster | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Meetings | 15:07 |
| jsmith | stickster: Right... we've agreed for the past several weeks that nobody disagrees | 15:07 |
| stickster | Yup, let's reclaim that slot. | 15:07 |
| * stickster goes to edit that pgae. | 15:07 | |
| Sparks | We agree not to disagree... That's a change for a diverse organization. | 15:08 |
| stickster | Let's talk instead about git. | 15:08 |
| stickster | er, fedorahosted. | 15:08 |
| stickster | Today I ran a test using git-cvsimport to see what our "worst" guide (from a revision control standpoint) looks like when it's git-ized | 15:09 |
| stickster | Comes out to 159 MB all told! | 15:09 |
| stickster | That's without having done any branching, just imported using: | 15:09 |
| stickster | git-cvsimport -p x -v -A ~/cvsdoc-authors.txt -d :ext:pfrields@cvs.fedoraproject.org:/cvs/docs install-guide | 15:10 |
| stickster | That "cvsdoc-authors.txt" file I got from the script I wrote earlier: | 15:10 |
| stickster | http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/scripts/authors-from-fas2-group.py | 15:11 |
| ianweller | so would all of /cvs/docs be one git repo, or would they be split up like you did | 15:12 |
| stickster | ianweller: I *think* the idea is to do one per document | 15:12 |
| ianweller | i would agree with that. | 15:13 |
| stickster | Because different documents are going to have different interest groups/contributor groups | 15:13 |
| ianweller | although, is it necessary to have a different ACL for each document? | 15:13 |
| stickster | ianweller: I think the pain of a different ACL is minimal and it's worth letting the documentation grow out separately | 15:14 |
| stickster | From a hand-wavy perspective, I'd like to be able to visualize cleanly which docs are attracting patches and which aren't | 15:14 |
| stickster | I know that technically we could do that with all of them in one place, but honestly I'd rather have the option to keep maintainership separated | 15:15 |
| stickster | For purposes of bugs, etc.... | 15:15 |
| ianweller | would each one have their own trac instance? | 15:15 |
| ianweller | and, is that necessary? | 15:15 |
| * ianweller is full of questions today apparently | 15:15 | |
| jsmith | ianweller: No, we all have the same questions... some of us are just waiting for you to ask them ;-) | 15:16 |
| ianweller | hah | 15:16 |
| stickster | ianweller: I don't have a *really* strong sentiment either way, but I want to make sure that the community can pick and choose which docs *not* to maintain without fear of impacting (statistics-wise) the "healthy" ones | 15:16 |
| Sparks | ianweller: Yeah, can you ask mine next? | 15:16 |
| ianweller | stickster: agreed | 15:17 |
| ianweller | Sparks: hmmmmmm. i dunno. | 15:17 |
| stickster | ianweller: Here's a good case, but a subtly different point | 15:17 |
| stickster | The Translation Quick Start Guide | 15:17 |
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| stickster | if we put that in our docs repo, the ACL is up to docs | 15:17 |
| stickster | When it probably should be up to L10N | 15:17 |
| ianweller | ah. | 15:17 |
| stickster | Or the "new" RPM book | 15:18 |
| stickster | Which has languished in our CVS for about a year and a half, maybe more. | 15:18 |
| stickster | Let the developer community have at it. | 15:18 |
| * quaid seems to be back from DSL/network troubles now | 15:19 | |
| jsmith | quaid: Welcome back! | 15:20 |
| ianweller | quaid: excellent | 15:20 |
| stickster | Finally a REAL leader | 15:20 |
| jsmith | quaid: I was having network problems today too, but luckily I live close enough to stickster to mooch off his bandwidth | 15:20 |
| ianweller | stickster: haha | 15:20 |
| jsmith | stickster: you forgot the "mua-ha-ha" in there | 15:20 |
| quaid | ha, or not ... right after I said that, connection dropped for a minute | 15:21 |
| quaid | so don't figure I'm really here, please continue without me | 15:21 |
| jsmith | quaid: Don't worry about us... we'll delegate everything to you while you're gone | 15:21 |
| stickster | OK, so quaid picks up that one. | 15:21 |
| ianweller | agreed. | 15:21 |
| ianweller | ;) | 15:22 |
| stickster | So anyhoo | 15:22 |
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| jsmith | stickster: He's gonna move everything into git for us as well, right? | 15:23 |
| quaid | recommend no on Trac, I think, for each guide | 15:23 |
| quaid | we use bugzilla for bug/RFE, and the main wiki, so there isn't anything Trac-able | 15:23 |
| stickster | Would we want to stay on BZ with the docs moving to hosted projects? | 15:23 |
| * ianweller would like a little time to discuss wiki organization during this meeting too, whenever/if there's time | 15:24 | |
| quaid | would we want to split our project-wide bug tracking amongst N bug tools? | 15:24 |
| stickster | quaid: No, one or t'other I think. | 15:24 |
| Sparks | I would think we would want to stay on BZ . | 15:24 |
| quaid | well, think about this | 15:24 |
| Sparks | I like a single "Enterprise" solution... :) | 15:24 |
| stickster | That would work fine, as long as we have a way of controlling (like CVS' "owners") | 15:24 |
| * stickster not at all against sticking to BZ | 15:25 | |
| quaid | we can always move from BZ to Trac later | 15:25 |
| quaid | but not as easily the other way | 15:25 |
| * quaid dropped and came back, so is going to try a backseat on this confab now | 15:26 | |
| stickster | That's really all I had on this -- just that I was trying out git | 15:26 |
| stickster | I think there's got to be a better way to hook our "branches" up during the conversion, but darned if I know how. | 15:26 |
| stickster | I may consult with one of our experts to *GIT* it done. | 15:26 |
| stickster | Get it? GIT?!? | 15:26 |
| stickster | Now THAT'S funny right thar. | 15:27 |
| quaid | arr arr humor! | 15:27 |
| stickster | EOF | 15:27 |
| jsmith | quaid: And you just thought "humorous" was a bone in your arm | 15:27 |
| quaid | still do | 15:27 |
| jsmith | OK... shall we continue on? | 15:28 |
| stickster | let's | 15:28 |
| ianweller | yes | 15:28 |
| * stickster turns it over to ianweller who's aching to talk about wiki! | 15:28 | |
| ianweller | oh ok! | 15:29 |
| ianweller | uhm right now the wiki is still a bit of a mess. we have these sorta-kinda guidelines drawn up in our heads of how we want the wiki to be organized, but its time for the docs team to come up with a proposal and policy on how to organize the wiki | 15:29 |
| ianweller | quaid and i have been sorta kinda working on that, but its not often when we're both thinking about doing it at the same time. ;) | 15:30 |
| ianweller | (we tried to do something at FUDCon but the EPEL meeting went rly long that friday) | 15:30 |
| ianweller | anywho, anyone in here wanting to work on that with quaid and i? | 15:30 |
| Sparks | ianweller: I'd like to but my availability over the next few weeks is going to be slim. | 15:31 |
| Sparks | ianweller: I can try to be available in the evenings, though. | 15:32 |
| ianweller | i'm going to attempt (and probably fail) to write up a very early draft tonight | 15:32 |
| quaid | yeah, async might be the best, sadly | 15:32 |
| ianweller | hopefully we can get it in an approvable state by next week. | 15:33 |
| ianweller | quaid: ? | 15:33 |
| ianweller | oh. i see | 15:33 |
| ianweller | ok well i'll start putting my ideas to a wiki page tonight, hopefully | 15:33 |
| jsmith | quaid's network is off and on | 15:33 |
| quaid | the big questions are? | 15:33 |
| ianweller | ah. | 15:33 |
| ianweller | well the biggest questions, in my mind, is 1) how are we going to require spacing -- are we simply going to deprecate CamelCase/no spaces or are we going to try and move each and every page to something reasonable? | 15:34 |
| quaid | one I see is the nested v. non-nested | 15:34 |
| ianweller | and 2) where do we draw the line between categories and namespaces | 15:35 |
| ianweller | quaid: that too | 15:35 |
| quaid | sounds like we need to move important pages to have spaces so we get good search results | 15:35 |
| ianweller | also, a lot of pages currently are shortened so that we have the gist of what it's talking about, but it isn't enough. | 15:36 |
| quaid | I feel good about our discussions on categories and namespaces; that one should make sense to people | 15:36 |
| jsmith | quaid: What metric are you using to measure how well the search works? | 15:36 |
| quaid | but the nesting and having to change names for search is going to be .. contentious | 15:36 |
| ianweller | i'm looking at a category list right now, and Category:AcceptedFedora10 isn't cutting it | 15:36 |
| quaid | ianweller: why? | 15:36 |
| jsmith | quaid: Not trying to be snarky, just wondering if it's a solution waiting for a problem, as I've *never* had a problem with the wiki search not finding what I was looking for | 15:36 |
| quaid | ianweller: poelcat used that to good effect in Moin Moin, | 15:36 |
| ianweller | but we can do better | 15:36 |
| ianweller | such as Category:Accepted features for Fedora 10 | 15:37 |
| ianweller | or something more obvious to the newbie | 15:37 |
| poelcat | ianweller: i haven't looked at any of that stuff yet, but it is on my list for today | 15:37 |
| ianweller | poelcat: oh ok | 15:37 |
| poelcat | feature wrangling that is... it was on hold while fesco sorted out who owned what | 15:37 |
| poelcat | i'm watching a few feature pages, but I haven't looked at anything really since it was in Moin | 15:38 |
| ianweller | poelcat: i was just using it as an example :) | 15:38 |
| quaid | jsmith: aiui, MW does not do wildcard searching in page titles by default | 15:38 |
| quaid | poelcat: now you know to use long names with spaces for Category: :) | 15:38 |
| poelcat | np... i just saw my nick light up the window | 15:38 |
| quaid | thx, I wanted to address if we had to mess with the workflow in any way | 15:39 |
| quaid | sounds like not. | 15:39 |
| quaid | just the naming details | 15:39 |
| ianweller | also, some other things of organization i'm worried about | 15:39 |
| ianweller | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Special:Uncategorizedpages | 15:39 |
| quaid | ianweller: +1 on long names that make sense; CamelCase tends to discourage that becaus eof readability | 15:39 |
| ianweller | quaid: k | 15:39 |
| quaid | ooh, cool special page | 15:39 |
| ianweller | that special page is a list of uncategorized pages, if you haven't derived that already | 15:40 |
| ianweller | that page should be empty, as far as i'm concerned | 15:40 |
| quaid | hmm, interesting | 15:40 |
| quaid | to do that we want to give more guidelines | 15:40 |
| ianweller | right | 15:40 |
| ianweller | in addition, another interesting special page -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Special:Uncategorizedcategories | 15:40 |
| ianweller | the point of that one is to promote category nesting, using subcategories. which we should also do | 15:41 |
| ianweller | so for example, Category:Accepted features for Fedora 10 could be a subcategory of both Category:Fedora 10 and Category:Accepted features | 15:41 |
| quaid | e.g., how would you categorize Ambassador from EMEA meetings? | 15:41 |
| quaid | etc. | 15:41 |
| ianweller | quaid: what pages are you talking about specifically? | 15:42 |
| Sparks | wow, there are a LOT of uncategorized pages out there | 15:42 |
| ianweller | Sparks: yup. | 15:42 |
| ianweller | i'm not going to bother counting. i'll have a bot do that. | 15:42 |
| Sparks | 500+ | 15:42 |
| ianweller | yup | 15:43 |
| Sparks | some of that can be EASILY fixed. | 15:43 |
| ianweller | yup | 15:43 |
| quaid | etc. | 15:43 |
| ianweller | after we get organization guidelines approved, we really need to get as many people as we can and just work on the wiki for as long as we can, or until its done. | 15:43 |
| quaid | sorry, I'm out of sync with net drops | 15:43 |
| jsmith | ianweller: Yeah... docs guys seem to be busy enough as it is right now, but it might be a good project to help train new recruits | 15:44 |
| ianweller | mmhmm | 15:44 |
| ianweller | i'm thinking of something like BugZappers. anyone can do it! | 15:44 |
| quaid | what I meant was, if you have a page that is a set of notes from a meeting, how is that categorized? | 15:44 |
| quaid | can we give people a formula they can repeat? | 15:44 |
| ianweller | ah | 15:44 |
| ianweller | i think we can. and we can prolly include those in the guidelines | 15:45 |
| quaid | yes | 15:45 |
| * ianweller would use Category:Minutes | 15:45 | |
| quaid | but still we'll have duplicates that are near | 15:45 |
| Sparks | Shouldn't the notes be categorized with the group who created them? | 15:45 |
| ianweller | Sparks: that too. | 15:45 |
| ianweller | pages should have as many categories that make sense | 15:45 |
| Sparks | Like Category:DocsProject or Category:Docs Project Meeting Minutes | 15:46 |
| quaid | +1 to cat by groupCategory:Minutes Ambassadors EMEA | 15:46 |
| quaid | while another perosn does Category:Ambassadors EMEA Minutes | 15:46 |
| ianweller | i'd have DocsProject, DocsProject Meetings, Minutes, DocsProject Meetings in June, Meetings in June | 15:46 |
| ianweller | s/June/June 2008/g | 15:46 |
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| quaid | ic | 15:46 |
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| jsmith | So you're essentially using categories as folksonomies? | 15:47 |
| * jsmith probably spelled that wrong | 15:47 | |
| quaid | akin to tagging | 15:47 |
| ianweller | yeah. | 15:48 |
| Sparks | There should be some standard for categories if not wiki-wide then at least project-wide | 15:48 |
| jsmith | Exactly... do we want taxonomy or folksonomy? | 15:48 |
| ianweller | categories on mediawiki are not necessarily categories... they are more like tags imho | 15:48 |
| jsmith | strict categories for free-for-all categories? | 15:48 |
| jsmith | s/for/or/ | 15:48 |
| quaid | have to do free for all | 15:48 |
| ianweller | free-for-all, +1 | 15:48 |
| quaid | can't predict all possibles | 15:48 |
| jsmith | Ugh... | 15:48 |
| quaid | but | 15:48 |
| quaid | we can inform people how to organize it | 15:48 |
| jsmith | I've never seen free-for-all tagging work well | 15:48 |
| jsmith | Not that it *can't* work well | 15:48 |
| quaid | it does all right for del.icio.us where you see the multiple types | 15:49 |
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| quaid | but, yeah | 15:49 |
| * ianweller points to how wikipedia does it | 15:49 | |
| quaid | jsmith: each proj/sig needs to form guidelines too | 15:49 |
| ianweller | i've seen pages with 3 lines of categories... | 15:49 |
| jsmith | It's just going to be near impossible to get people trained to tag all meetings in June with the "Meetings in June" categories | 15:49 |
| quaid | guidelines should request/require some kind of minimum | 15:49 |
| quaid | categories should include ... | 15:50 |
| quaid | still, hard to preduct | 15:50 |
| jsmith | Certainly.... | 15:50 |
| ianweller | if anything, the minimum should be 1) something that says what project/SIG it's a part of, and 2) what that page is meant to be | 15:50 |
| ianweller | documentation, howto, whatever | 15:50 |
| quaid | yeah, like that | 15:51 |
| * ianweller is trying to think if there's anything else wiki-wise we should discuss right now | 15:53 | |
| ianweller | ah, images should probably be categorized too. | 15:53 |
| quaid | what specific list of things do we need to write up? | 15:53 |
| ianweller | what do you mean, for the policy draft? | 15:54 |
| quaid | yes | 15:54 |
| ianweller | so far... | 15:54 |
| ianweller | 1) renaming/moving of pages | 15:55 |
| ianweller | 2) uber-categorization | 15:55 |
| ianweller | 3) namespaces if deemed necessary | 15:55 |
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| ianweller | oh geez. | 15:56 |
| ianweller | well if anybody has anything else to do, say it now | 15:56 |
| quaid | ianweller: can you add these to a wiki page? we can then help expand form there | 15:56 |
| ianweller | we can discuss wiki stuff more back in #fedora-docs | 15:56 |
| ianweller | quaid: i will | 15:56 |
| fugolini | there aren't problems, continue with the meeting | 15:57 |
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| * ianweller has to go, i'll get this stuff up on the wiki later this evening | 15:59 | |
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| fugolini | is there someone from FAmSCo? | 16:07 |
| * iWolf is here | 16:10 | |
| fugolini | i hope we could be at least 3 or 4 | 16:10 |
| fugolini | sorry if i didn't send the reminder | 16:10 |
| fugolini | but i had an exam this afternoon | 16:11 |
| iWolf | no worries. | 16:11 |
| iWolf | school still keeping you busy? | 16:11 |
| fugolini | i had 7 exams out 9 to pass | 16:12 |
| fugolini | i gave two in february | 16:13 |
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| iWolf | wow! that is a lot of exams! | 16:13 |
| fugolini | in italy we have a different system for bachelor | 16:13 |
| fugolini | etc. | 16:13 |
| fugolini | each exam has a point, and you have to rise in 3y 180 to get the bachelor | 16:14 |
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| fugolini | just wait 2 more minutes | 16:15 |
| iWolf | interesting, so you have to pass 180 exams to get the bachelor? | 16:15 |
| fugolini | no | 16:15 |
| fugolini | 180 points at total | 16:15 |
| fugolini | each exams has a number of points e.g. 8 for Law; etc | 16:15 |
| iWolf | ah, i see. | 16:15 |
| iWolf | how far along are you? | 16:16 |
| fugolini | i changed faculty, so i had to restart everything, now i'm near 60 | 16:17 |
| fugolini | I will set the new meeting for friday, if everyone agree | 16:18 |
| fugolini | now we can have an informal meeting about the last issues... | 16:18 |
| iWolf | that's fine with me. doesn't look like we have anyone else here. | 16:18 |
| fugolini | The most important issue are: Budget, just to ask Max if everything goes well | 16:19 |
| fugolini | and then work on the open issues | 16:19 |
| fugolini | and the new ones | 16:19 |
| fugolini | there is a hidden proposal about the Rules and more | 16:20 |
| fugolini | personally i didn't push it, just opened a wiki page | 16:21 |
| fugolini | and send some mails | 16:21 |
| fugolini | but i think we have to work on it | 16:21 |
| iWolf | sounds good. | 16:21 |
| fugolini | just because we have to improve our Event Budget system | 16:21 |
| fugolini | just because we need people focusing on this important issue | 16:21 |
| iWolf | yeah, we need it documented so future famsco members can have a system to work with. | 16:21 |
| fugolini | that is one the core of our work | 16:22 |
| fugolini | and with the growth of local administrators | 16:22 |
| fugolini | we will focus more and more on budget | 16:22 |
| fugolini | i think we have to pay more attention on this one | 16:23 |
| fugolini | i apologize for my last month | 16:24 |
| fugolini | and for the next week (last exam) | 16:24 |
| fugolini | but we have to create a structure that easily could effort all people necessities and could be 24/24 365/365 working | 16:25 |
| fugolini | with one or all members | 16:25 |
| iWolf | i know you've been busy. | 16:25 |
| fugolini | so we have to simplify, or better, concentrate ourselves on some critical topics, and give some power to local administrators (membership, with the constant guide of FAmSCo) | 16:26 |
| iWolf | we still have time to make a push to get some of the processes documented. we can break some of it to task lists at the next meeting. | 16:26 |
| fugolini | yep | 16:26 |
| fugolini | so, hope to see you in the next meeting | 16:29 |
| iWolf | i should be there, schedule looks open as of now. | 16:29 |
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| fugolini | unfortunately is not easy to have a common day | 16:29 |
| iWolf | yeah, scheduling can sometimes be tricky. The time differences narrow down the options a good amount. | 16:32 |
| fugolini | i invite in my last mail to bold the preferred day in the calendar page | 16:33 |
| fugolini | i think it could be a helpfull system to focus the best day | 16:33 |
| iWolf | it can't hurt! :) | 16:36 |
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| fugolini | absolutely:) | 16:38 |
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| fugolini | now i've to go | 16:41 |
| fugolini | see you soon | 16:41 |
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| gomix1 | buenas | 20:37 |
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| RodrigoPadula | Holla Amigos! | 20:49 |
| Matias_Arg | buenas Rodrigo | 20:49 |
| roguedaemon | hasta tomorrow | 20:49 |
| roguedaemon | oops lol how'd i get over here | 20:50 |
| * roguedaemon runs | 20:50 | |
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| Nushio | comenzamos la reunión? | 21:02 |
| Matias_Arg | ok | 21:02 |
| RodrigoPadula | si | 21:03 |
| RodrigoPadula | quantas personas tenemos ? | 21:03 |
| Nushio | +1, JuanRodriguez | 21:03 |
| Matias_Arg | +1 MatiasMaceira | 21:04 |
| RodrigoPadula | + Rodrigo Padula | 21:04 |
| gomix | Guillermogomez | 21:05 |
| gomix | lista plis | 21:05 |
| Matias_Arg | perdonen vuelvo en 5 min. pero cuenten conmigo para la reunion ;) | 21:07 |
| gomix | rodrigo? | 21:13 |
| gomix | alguien plis que tome batuta | 21:14 |
| gomix | para rotar la funcion :P | 21:14 |
| gomix | la agenda es acerca del wiki y los contenidos | 21:14 |
| Nushio | les molesta si dirigo hoy? | 21:14 |
| gomix | por favor... | 21:14 |
| Nushio | bien. Es mi primera vez en esto, asi que disculpen el desorden | 21:15 |
| Nushio | Primero que nada, Lista | 21:15 |
| Nushio | tenemos a MatiasMaceira, RodrigoPadula, GuillermoGomez y JuanRodriguez | 21:15 |
| Nushio | falta alguien? | 21:15 |
| RodrigoPadula | yo estoy aqui | 21:16 |
| RodrigoPadula | Libertadores: LDU x Fluminense jejeje | 21:16 |
| Nushio | Bueno, Primer tema, Wiki | 21:17 |
| Nushio | Comenzaré | 21:18 |
| Nushio | Actualmente me encuentro migrando el contenido del wiki de Fedora-Ve (http://wiki.fedora-ve.org) hacia el wiki de proyecto fedora (http://proyectofedora.org/wiki) | 21:18 |
| Nushio | Estimo que para mañana en la mañana ya debe estar el contenido migrado completamente | 21:19 |
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| Matias_Arg | ! | 21:20 |
| Nushio | > Matias_Arg | 21:20 |
| Matias_Arg | como es el tema de los permisos para escribir en el wiki? | 21:21 |
| Nushio | > Nushio | 21:21 |
| Matias_Arg | eof | 21:21 |
| Nushio | Actualmente tenemos sincronizado todo con Drupal, instalado en la raiz (http://ProyectoFedora.org) | 21:21 |
| Nushio | Utilizando el username y password en drupal puedes accesar a los foros (/forum), y al wiki | 21:22 |
| Nushio | esto aun no esta documentado en el wiki | 21:22 |
| Nushio | eof | 21:22 |
| Matias_Arg | ! | 21:23 |
| Nushio | > Matias_Arg | 21:23 |
| Matias_Arg | hay que registrarse? o con el user y el pass de fedoraproject podemos agregar o editar? | 21:23 |
| Nushio | eof? | 21:23 |
| Matias_Arg | eof | 21:24 |
| Matias_Arg | sry | 21:24 |
| Nushio | > Nushio | 21:24 |
| Nushio | Actualmente hay que registrarse en Drupal por 2 motivos | 21:24 |
| Nushio | 1) registrarse en fedoraproject actualmente es un proceso un poco complicado, lo que disminuye el posible número de contribuyentes | 21:24 |
| Nushio | y 2) motivos técnicos (ligar fedoraproject.org con los foros, y el wiki) | 21:25 |
| Nushio | eof | 21:25 |
| Matias_Arg | ! ok | 21:25 |
| Matias_Arg | ! | 21:27 |
| Nushio | > Matias_Arg | 21:27 |
| Matias_Arg | los contenidos del wiki | 21:28 |
| Matias_Arg | van a ser como | 21:28 |
| Matias_Arg | los de Fedora-ve? me refiero a la organizacion | 21:28 |
| Matias_Arg | eof | 21:29 |
| Nushio | > Nushio | 21:29 |
| Nushio | Gomix, tienes comentarios al respecto? | 21:29 |
| Nushio | Gomix ha manejado la wiki de fedora-ve, y supongo nos puede dar sus comentarios y experiencias administrandola | 21:30 |
| gomix | admin... | 21:30 |
| Nushio | eof | 21:30 |
| gomix | dar permisos de escritura a quien solicite | 21:30 |
| gomix | spam es una piña | 21:30 |
| gomix | :P eof | 21:30 |
| Matias_Arg | ! | 21:30 |
| Nushio | > Matias_Arg | 21:30 |
| Matias_Arg | el spam no puede evitarse? | 21:31 |
| Matias_Arg | digo dando permisos personalizados | 21:31 |
| Matias_Arg | o alguna otra forma... que no requiera | 21:31 |
| Matias_Arg | que cualquiera pueda registrarse | 21:31 |
| Matias_Arg | perdon... que evite que cualquiera pueda registrarse | 21:31 |
| Matias_Arg | eof | 21:31 |
| Nushio | > Nushio | 21:31 |
| Nushio | actualmente el usuario que se registre tiene permisos de escritura en los foros y en el wiki | 21:32 |
| Nushio | por suerte, los sistemas de spamming no son suficientemente astutos hoy en dia para detectar que el username proviene de otra parte del sitio | 21:32 |
| Nushio | (o por lo menos eso supongo) | 21:32 |
| Nushio | pudiera crear un modulo de control de usuarios, donde los usuarios escriban algunas palabras donde pidan permiso para editar el wiki | 21:33 |
| Nushio | de manera que el permiso de escritrua sería otorgado al confirmar que es humano, y no maquina, quien lo solicita | 21:33 |
| Nushio | eso sería en un futuro, sin embargo, no "ahora mismo" | 21:34 |
| Nushio | eof | 21:34 |
| Matias_Arg | ! | 21:34 |
| Nushio | > Matias_Arg | 21:34 |
| Matias_Arg | se me ocurre que podriamos (varios no uno solo por supuesto) | 21:34 |
| Matias_Arg | responder los correos otorgando permisos | 21:34 |
| Matias_Arg | a travez de algun modulo de adm. | 21:34 |
| Matias_Arg | utilizando alguna cuenta general para subscripcion | 21:35 |
| Matias_Arg | enviando de esa forma el pass para poder ingresar | 21:35 |
| Matias_Arg | o algun metodo similar | 21:35 |
| Matias_Arg | eof | 21:35 |
| Nushio | > Nushio: por supuesto, algo asi es la idea, no centralizar el poder en 1 o 2, sino muchos. | 21:35 |
| Nushio | quizas no por correo | 21:35 |
| gomix | ! | 21:35 |
| Nushio | quizas enviar un correo a una lista, notificando que un usuario acaba de registrarse al sitio | 21:35 |
| Nushio | eof | 21:36 |
| Nushio | > gomix | 21:36 |
| gomix | el registro del usuario debe tener un... | 21:36 |
| RodrigoPadula | ! | 21:36 |
| gomix | capcha.... | 21:36 |
| gomix | las imagenes esas para evitar el regsitro de cualquiera | 21:36 |
| gomix | eso reduce bastante... junto con la confirmacion por email | 21:36 |
| gomix | de todas formas... la escritura.... puede quedar abierta | 21:37 |
| gomix | mientra el sistema antispam sea razonablemente bueno | 21:37 |
| gomix | eof | 21:37 |
| Nushio | > RodrigoPadula | 21:37 |
| RodrigoPadula | creo que devemos utilizar la confirmacion por correo de las nuevas contas | 21:37 |
| RodrigoPadula | así no tenemos problemas com spam | 21:37 |
| RodrigoPadula | ahora sí... estou vendo resultados en el proyecto LATAM | 21:38 |
| RodrigoPadula | Congratulations para todos los miembros | 21:38 |
| Nushio | :) | 21:38 |
| RodrigoPadula | eof | 21:38 |
| Nushio | > Nushio | 21:38 |
| Nushio | Si, puedo poner confirmación via email, inclusive capcha (aun que no me agrada) | 21:38 |
| Nushio | el captcha es burlable por las maquinas, y molesto para los usuarios | 21:38 |
| Matias_Arg | ! | 21:39 |
| Nushio | creo que lo mejor sería poner un campo de "escribe por que quieres permisos de escritura en el wiki" o algo similar | 21:39 |
| Nushio | de esta forma podríamos leer los comentarios del usuario, y si estan en blanco, o contienen spam, se ignoran? | 21:39 |
| Nushio | eof | 21:39 |
| Nushio | > Matias_Arg | 21:39 |
| Matias_Arg | creo que se podria solicitar se envie un correo con ciertos datos (nombre y apellido, pais y el porque de utilizar | 21:40 |
| Matias_Arg | el wiki y le enviamos un correo | 21:40 |
| Nushio | +1 | 21:40 |
| Matias_Arg | para ello | 21:40 |
| Matias_Arg | debieramos ser mas de uno administrando | 21:40 |
| Matias_Arg | yo me ofrezco a ayudar | 21:40 |
| Matias_Arg | con esta tarea | 21:41 |
| Matias_Arg | eof | 21:41 |
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| Nushio | > Nushio | 21:41 |
| gomix | ! | 21:41 |
| k0k | hola | 21:41 |
| Nushio | Matias_Arg, con gusto, actualmente creo que hay 3 con poderes administrativos | 21:41 |
| Matias_Arg | k0k buenas | 21:42 |
| Nushio | y de esos 3, solo yo cuento con poderes admin sobre wiki, foros y drupal, y además se administrarlos | 21:42 |
| Nushio | hay que determinar administradores | 21:42 |
| Nushio | eof | 21:42 |
| Nushio | > Gomix | 21:42 |
| Matias_Arg | ! | 21:42 |
| gomix | yo ayudo en la admin del wiki | 21:43 |
| gomix | para efectos de seguimiento de los privilegios .... y revocacion | 21:43 |
| gomix | eof | 21:43 |
| Nushio | > Matias_Arg | 21:43 |
| Matias_Arg | si hace falta cuenten conmigo, pero creo que debieramos mandar un correo a la lista latam | 21:44 |
| Matias_Arg | pidiendo (exigiendo dentro de las posibilidades) | 21:44 |
| Matias_Arg | que todos los embajadores se registren al menos en el wiki | 21:44 |
| Matias_Arg | para por lo menos saber con que recursos humanos contamos | 21:45 |
| Matias_Arg | eof | 21:45 |
| Nushio | +1 | 21:45 |
| Nushio | > Nushio | 21:45 |
| Nushio | Voy a enviar un correo a la lista, pidiendo que se listen los embajadores activos | 21:45 |
| RodrigoPadula | +1 | 21:45 |
| RodrigoPadula | ! | 21:46 |
| Matias_Arg | +1 | 21:46 |
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| RodrigoPadula | ! | 21:46 |
| amoncada | hola | 21:46 |
| amoncada | perdon por la tardanza | 21:47 |
| Matias_Arg | amoncada hola ;) | 21:47 |
| RodrigoPadula | amoncada: hola, no problem | 21:47 |
| RodrigoPadula | ! | 21:47 |
| RodrigoPadula | yo creo que tenemos que contatar todos los embajadores latinos por correo y invitarlos para la lista LATAM | 21:48 |
| gomix | +1 | 21:48 |
| Matias_Arg | +1 | 21:48 |
| amoncada | +1 | 21:48 |
| Matias_Arg | ! | 21:48 |
| RodrigoPadula | si possible, identificar possibles ambajadores en los otros paises e en su paises | 21:49 |
| RodrigoPadula | para tenermos mas personas a colaborar | 21:49 |
| RodrigoPadula | eof | 21:49 |
| Matias_Arg | alguien que regule. pareciera que Nushio tuvo algun inconveniente | 21:49 |
| Matias_Arg | tomo la batuta hasta que vuelva | 21:50 |
| Matias_Arg | ;) | 21:50 |
| Matias_Arg | Matias_Arg: | 21:50 |
| Matias_Arg | ya se que existen varios lugares | 21:50 |
| Matias_Arg | de contacto | 21:50 |
| Matias_Arg | no sería mas productivo | 21:50 |
| Matias_Arg | asi como estamos haciendo el wiki | 21:50 |
| Matias_Arg | participar de un canal de irc | 21:50 |
| Matias_Arg | masivo ? | 21:51 |
| Matias_Arg | eof | 21:51 |
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| Nushio_ | ! | 21:51 |
| Matias_Arg | Nushio_ | 21:51 |
| Matias_Arg | te devuelvo la batuta de la reunion | 21:51 |
| Nushio_ | (No me he ido, y he leido todo, supongo que tengo problemas para enviar mensajes) | 21:51 |
| Nushio_ | jaja, gracias | 21:51 |
| Nushio_ | en teoría, es "imposible" reunir a todos los embajadores en una reunion de irc | 21:52 |
| Nushio_ | para eso tenemos juntas semanales, donde se reunen "los que pueden" | 21:52 |
| Matias_Arg | ! | 21:52 |
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| Nushio_ | la lista de correo, por tanto, permite que las personas que desean participar, pero no pueden asistir a la junta, digan sus opiniones | 21:52 |
| Nushio_ | eof | 21:53 |
| Nushio_ | > Matias_Arg | 21:53 |
| Matias_Arg | de estas reuniones queda algo de lo que se hablo en algun lado? | 21:53 |
| Matias_Arg | se podria enviar un correo a la lista. entonces asi el que no esta | 21:53 |
| amoncada | y si usamos los alias de fedoraproject para contactarlos, solo es tener el listado, ese lo podemos conseguir con gente del fas | 21:53 |
| Matias_Arg | de acuerdo con algo la proxima reunion seguramente | 21:53 |
| Matias_Arg | entra a comentar algo. | 21:53 |
| Matias_Arg | eof | 21:53 |
| Nushio_ | ! | 21:53 |
| Nushio_ | > Nushio | 21:53 |
| Nushio_ | Matias_Arg: siempre enviamos una copia del chatlog de las reuniones a la lista de correo | 21:53 |
| Nushio_ | salvo la última reunion, que creo que nadie lo envió | 21:54 |
| Matias_Arg | ! | 21:54 |
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| Nushio_ | amoncada: si, esa es una idea, sin embargo actualmente no tenemos al 100% que embajador es de donde | 21:54 |
| RodrigoPadula | ! | 21:54 |
| Nushio_ | debo salir en 5 minutos, alguien quiere tomar el control? | 21:54 |
| Nushio_ | eof | 21:54 |
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| Matias_Arg | ! tomo la batuta. | 21:55 |
| Nushio_ | Ok | 21:55 |
| Matias_Arg | RodrigoPadula | 21:55 |
| amoncada | ! | 21:55 |
| gomix | :) | 21:55 |
| Matias_Arg | > RodrigoPadula | 21:55 |
| RodrigoPadula | tenem contacto con los embajadores de Nicaragua ? | 21:55 |
| Matias_Arg | eof? | 21:56 |
| Nushio_ | (si, tenemos contacto con nicaragua) | 21:56 |
| RodrigoPadula | ahora yo estoy responsabile por los embajadores latinos | 21:56 |
| Nushio_ | (me retiro, saludos y buenas noches, disculpen la interrupción) | 21:56 |
| RodrigoPadula | los nuevos embajadores serão contactados por mi | 21:56 |
| Matias_Arg | saludos Nushio | 21:56 |
| Matias_Arg | RodrigoPadula Congratulations | 21:57 |
| RodrigoPadula | en al proxima semana yo teré mas informaciones | 21:57 |
| RodrigoPadula | y tambien estaré estudiando un poquito mas de spanol jejeje | 21:57 |
| RodrigoPadula | eof | 21:57 |
| Matias_Arg | > amoncada | 21:57 |
| Matias_Arg | > amoncada | 21:58 |
| amoncada | disculpen | 21:59 |
| Matias_Arg | no problem | 21:59 |
| gomix | buenas noches ... | 22:00 |
| gomix | me retiro | 22:00 |
| gomix | saludos a todos | 22:00 |
| gomix | gracias por venir | 22:00 |
| amoncada | las iniciativas del proyecto ahora en colombia se estan enfocando en el campus party colombia estamos buscana atraer nuevas ideas y nuuevas personas | 22:00 |
| Matias_Arg | gomix: buenas noches. | 22:00 |
| gomix | nos vemos el miercoles que viene para resumir | 22:00 |
| gomix | :) | 22:00 |
| gomix | y hacer seguimiento | 22:00 |
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| Matias_Arg | amoncada eof? | 22:01 |
| amoncada | eof | 22:02 |
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| Matias_Arg | ! | 22:02 |
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| Matias_Arg | >Matias_Arg | 22:02 |
| Matias_Arg | muy buenas noticias amoncada.Congratulations | 22:03 |
| Matias_Arg | eof | 22:03 |
| Matias_Arg | ! | 22:03 |
| Matias_Arg | >Matias_Arg | 22:03 |
| Matias_Arg | alguien mas quiere agregar algo? creo que ya esta la minuta prevista | 22:04 |
| Matias_Arg | eof | 22:04 |
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| Matias_Arg | Se da por finalizada la reunion? | 22:05 |
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| RodrigoPadula | +1 | 22:09 |
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| Matias_Ar1 | perdon. alguien que guarde la conversacion. asi se la envia por correo? | 22:13 |
| Matias_Ar1 | byebye | 22:14 |
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