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| wwoods | looks like we'll need 5 minutes for people to wake up | 11:02 |
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| wwoods | Lovechild: what's been going on? | 11:02 |
| Lovechild | wwoods: busy filing bugs against Development, very very broken | 11:03 |
| wwoods | sigh | 11:03 |
| Lovechild | also thinking of a way to bribe developers to actually run with SELinux enabled | 11:03 |
| wwoods | what kind of stuff? have you been blocking FC7Target/FC7Blocker? | 11:03 |
| Lovechild | wwoods: mostly it seems to be stuff related to the fact that a11y is now enabled by default and that just uncovered every bug under the sun.. | 11:04 |
| wwoods | hah, yeah.. I think that's why they're enabling it by default | 11:04 |
| wwoods | forcing people to use it (like with SELinux) is the best way to weed out bugs | 11:05 |
| wwoods | okay, well, the 5 minute grace period is over | 11:05 |
| Lovechild | wow.. I'm impressed | 11:05 |
| Lovechild | so lay it on me boss | 11:06 |
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| wwoods | okay, so FUDCon was cool - a lot more discussion than actual hacking, but the discussions were more worthwhile | 11:06 |
| wwoods | Lovechild: do you have a mugshot account? | 11:07 |
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| Lovechild | wwoods: yeah but mugshot is one of those things that don't work on Development right now | 11:07 |
| wwoods | Lovechild: the SRPM recompiles nice and easy | 11:07 |
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| * wwoods runs it on his rawhide laptop | 11:07 | |
| Lovechild | wwoods: yeah but it doesn't connect to the server from here | 11:07 |
| wwoods | Lovechild: really? huh. | 11:07 |
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| wwoods | WORKSFORME. might be worth reporting (do they have their own bugzilla?) | 11:08 |
| Lovechild | also the damn thing doesn't obey the GNOME setting for default browser | 11:08 |
| wwoods | anyway, one of the things we talked about during FUDCon was new bugzilla stuff | 11:08 |
| wwoods | and integration of Mugshot and Bugzilla (which I kept calling Mugzilla by accident) | 11:08 |
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| wwoods | I set up a test instance of bugzilla at http://qa.fedoraproject.org/bugzilla/ | 11:08 |
| wwoods | mostly as something to bounce tools etc. off of | 11:09 |
| Lovechild | any relation to the extra cool plan of implementing OpenID support in Bugzilla? | 11:09 |
| Lovechild | wow.. now mugzilla connected.. awesomeness | 11:09 |
| wwoods | I'm told that RH will be eventually moving to bugzilla 3.0 after it's released, so this is a good place to work on integration and extension | 11:09 |
| wwoods | yeah, the mugzilla stuff is still in discussion | 11:10 |
| Lovechild | any truth to the rumours that we silly pieces of eurotrash might get videos? | 11:10 |
| wwoods | Karsten was good enough to sum up the discussions we had: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/KarstenWade/Drafts/Mugzilla | 11:10 |
| Lovechild | from fudcon I mean | 11:10 |
| wwoods | Lovechild: I've heard rumors, I know there's video, but I don't know who's got it or where they'll put it | 11:10 |
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| kanarip | the fedora unity project has some videos, i don't know where they are at this moment | 11:11 |
| wwoods | Sadly there isn't video of everything - like the QA talk dmalcolm and I did | 11:11 |
| Lovechild | they'll probably go on torrent.fedoraproject.org like usual | 11:11 |
| kanarip | then someone from BU had a camera too | 11:11 |
| gregdek | http://files.damaestro.us/render_broadband.avi.bz2 | 11:11 |
| gregdek | Raw video | 11:11 |
| kanarip | thanks gregdek | 11:11 |
| gregdek | np | 11:11 |
| wwoods | but mostly we just talked about concepts y'all are probably already familiar with - dogtail, RHTS, and how automated testing and new updates tools will make fedora way more awesome | 11:11 |
| * kanarip certainly likes the automated testing patr | 11:12 | |
| kanarip | s/patr/part/ | 11:12 |
| wwoods | as for mugzilla, someone needs to talk to the mugshot guys about how we can create groups for given bugzilla product/version/components | 11:13 |
| wwoods | it would be pretty sweet if I got a notification every time someone submitted a bug against a package I'm interested in | 11:13 |
| wwoods | or, say, rawhide bugs | 11:13 |
| gregdek | Are we looking for "someone" to volunteer? :) | 11:13 |
| Lovechild | it would also be very cool if someone could configure bugzilla so that you could list all open bugs for a given product in one click | 11:14 |
| wwoods | gregdek: I'd like that, yes, but I'm willing to do it myself | 11:14 |
| wwoods | Lovechild: That's probably pretty easy, actually, just need to craft a link with a query in it | 11:14 |
| Lovechild | wwoods: k I'll investigate, it comes in handy to be able to do that though | 11:15 |
| wwoods | Lovechild: definitely. Gives a very good starting place for bug triagers. | 11:15 |
| wwoods | e.g.: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/buglist.cgi?product=Fedora+Core&version=fc7test1&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=NEEDINFO&bug_status=MODIFIED | 11:15 |
| Lovechild | so anything else going on at FUDCon that you'd like to rub in my face? | 11:15 |
| wwoods | that's a huge link, but it could be crammed into rdr.to (or just an <a href=""> on a web page somewheres) | 11:16 |
| wwoods | but you get the idea. | 11:16 |
| Lovechild | yeah | 11:16 |
| wwoods | another fudcon discussion topic was the need for a fedora-bug-buddy type of thing | 11:16 |
| kanarip | well for one thing you didn't have as much fun as i did ;-) | 11:16 |
| Lovechild | it's not for nothing I made Cypress Hill - Hits for the Bong ,my official bugzilla theme song | 11:16 |
| wwoods | which would serve two purposes: 1) guided bug reporting (help the user figure out which component/version/etc they want, show them some common bugs, etc) | 11:17 |
| wwoods | and 2) automatic gathering of appropriate debugging info / tracebacks / logs | 11:17 |
| Lovechild | would it be possible to guide bug-buddy to file bugs for those products that aren't registered on the GNOME bugzilla (like Evolution.. yay) to our bugzilla so traces don't get lost and users don't explode in anger? | 11:18 |
| wwoods | lmacken talked about that a bit here: http://lewk.org/blog/2007/02/11/fudcon | 11:18 |
| bytee | does 2) not become hard since we split up -debug packages? and people tend not to want to install them (or might after a crash) | 11:18 |
| wwoods | Lovechild: yeah, actually we want a different program (or perhaps an add-on) that works for everything on a Fedora system | 11:18 |
| wwoods | but we want the report to *also* go to the GNOME bugzilla for GNOME bugs | 11:19 |
| wwoods | rather than "GNOME gets all the GNOME bugs, we get the rest" | 11:19 |
| Lovechild | also I was talking to Peter Gordon about how neat it would be if Yum had a "wantsdebug" setting which would automatically fetch and install the debuginfo packages.. I have a rather crude script to do it right now | 11:19 |
| wwoods | it should be "we get all the bugs, and GNOME also gets copies of the ones that apply to them" | 11:19 |
| Lovechild | man I wish crapzilla could use openID and do bug cloning via xml-rpc | 11:20 |
| wwoods | Lovechild: yeah, we talked about that too - since yum downloading debuginfo packages is a distro-specific activity it doesn't make sense to try to patch gnome's bug-buddy to do that | 11:20 |
| wwoods | but our own bug-reporting tool should certainly do it | 11:20 |
| Lovechild | wwoods: I would just like something to put in yum.conf.. like the nice till oneline to murder multilib (die die die) | 11:20 |
| Lovechild | *little | 11:20 |
| wwoods | bytee: I'm told it's fairly easy (if the user has an internet connection) to have a button that fetches the debuginfo packages and re-runs the traceback (to get the debugging symbols in there) | 11:21 |
| Lovechild | I hate getting a crash and noticing I lack some debug package so I just install all of them... | 11:21 |
| wwoods | Lovechild: hm, there's a couple new tools for managing repos - a "disable multilib" checkbox might be a good feature suggestion for them | 11:21 |
| bytee | wwoods: ah, fair enough. | 11:22 |
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| wwoods | bytee: obviously, if the user doesn't have an internet connection, that's hard | 11:22 |
| wwoods | but then.. if they don't have an internet connection, they can't report bugs either | 11:22 |
| bytee | exactly. | 11:22 |
| Lovechild | also will someone please tell Katz that I'll bribe him in doughnuts if he fixes #227979 | 11:22 |
| wwoods | Lovechild: I'd love to see the script to fetch debuginfo stuff | 11:22 |
| bytee | though with laptop users, this tool should offer a "save for submitting later" option. after all, lots of people use laptops without the Internet | 11:23 |
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| wwoods | ohhhhh yeah. pup ain't exactly multithreaded. | 11:23 |
| wwoods | that's a hard one. although I hear there's some work going on in pupland, so it might be addressed | 11:23 |
| wwoods | anyway, the QA Hackfest at FUDCON did not yield any tests, but it did have some positive results | 11:24 |
| Lovechild | wwoods: you have no idea the shit Fedora gets for that in public.. I want it fixed for F7 if at all possible since it accounts for about 60% of all the reports I get | 11:24 |
| wwoods | we got the dogtail stuff working, with a faked X server and everything, so you can now run automated GUI tests headlessly on remote systems | 11:24 |
| wwoods | Lovechild: are you for real? that's astounding | 11:25 |
| wwoods | bytee: that's a really good idea, I'll make a note of that | 11:25 |
| Lovechild | wwoods: there are a few reports for mp3/video/wifi but people understand that.. but they bitch so much over our updater | 11:25 |
| Lovechild | it's really a huge bug to users | 11:26 |
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| wwoods | Lovechild: well, there was quite a bit of hacking done on yum during FUDCon - preliminary tests show something like a 30% speed increase during setup | 11:26 |
| wwoods | (metadata fetching/parsing) | 11:26 |
| wwoods | so even without any direct work on pup, the pseudo-hang should at least be *shorter* | 11:27 |
| Lovechild | doesn't fix this one I'm afraid - it really needs to spawn the GUI in a seperate thread and I know Katz hates that | 11:27 |
| wwoods | Lovechild: sounds like someone is volunteering to fix a bug! | 11:27 |
| wwoods | heh | 11:27 |
| wwoods | honestly we (collectively) are going to need more gtk/pygtk expertise | 11:27 |
| wwoods | between a fedora-bug-buddy and pup stuff, and working with dogtail to exercise gtk apps | 11:28 |
| kanarip | working on it :) | 11:28 |
| Lovechild | wwoods: well.. I guess so, lemme learn python, I'm a C# man so it's a rather strange syntax to my eyes | 11:28 |
| wwoods | yeah, I'm good with python but lousy with GUI stuff | 11:28 |
| wwoods | I'm hoping to take next week up with hacking around in bug-buddy and/or putting together a preliminary fedora-bug-buddy | 11:29 |
| Lovechild | I fail to see why python is so popular to be honest.. but hey what do I know | 11:29 |
| kanarip | Lovechild, join the club ;-) | 11:29 |
| * dmalcolm holds his mouth shut | 11:29 | |
| Lovechild | but it sounds like fudcon was productive | 11:29 |
| wwoods | rapid development cycle, large module library, it enforces clean(ish) coding style, and.. at this point, tradition | 11:30 |
| wwoods | say what you will about python - at least it's not perl. or php. or, lord help up, tcl. | 11:30 |
| kanarip | or java... | 11:30 |
| kanarip | did i just say that out loud? | 11:30 |
| Lovechild | everytime will woods mentions perl a kitten buys it | 11:30 |
| wwoods | well, java has the (theoretical) advantage over C# of being big-F Free, now | 11:30 |
| wwoods | but that's a tangent | 11:31 |
| wwoods | so anyway, FUDCon was very productive in terms of new ideas for better collaboration and laying better groundwork for testing | 11:31 |
| wwoods | but we didn't actually write many tests. alas. | 11:31 |
| * dmalcolm tried writing a yum testsuite but is bogged down in some details | 11:32 | |
| Lovechild | what is the plan with regards to integrate testing into the Fedora way of life? | 11:32 |
| wwoods | yes, the yum test suite is pretty exciting, because yum is so critical to us | 11:32 |
| wwoods | if yum works, anything else can be fixed | 11:32 |
| Lovechild | well yum, the network, the kernel boots.. a lot of things really | 11:33 |
| wwoods | well, yes, but assuming all its dependencies work, yum is the critical bit | 11:33 |
| wwoods | I'd rate the kernel's networking stack more reliable than yum | 11:33 |
| Lovechild | oh that reminds me there was a nice kernel trace when I booted, I should figure out what's going on and bother dave | 11:33 |
| wwoods | speaking of traces - another FUDCon idea (this one from pjones and others) was to have bugzilla keep a database of tracebacks | 11:34 |
| wwoods | kernel tracebacks, python tracebacks, etc. | 11:34 |
| Lovechild | oh that would be nice, to compare them and close dups automatically.. like the GNOME crapzilla does | 11:34 |
| wwoods | Lovechild: exactly | 11:34 |
| wwoods | like that day when we had 100 reports of the same yum traceback | 11:35 |
| Lovechild | we might even be able to borrow code.. I love it when great features come for free | 11:35 |
| wwoods | indeed! it's tricky, though, they use mysql and they're fond of using mysql-specific code | 11:35 |
| wwoods | but the ideas remain | 11:35 |
| wwoods | so it's just a matter of porting to Pg | 11:35 |
| Lovechild | I'll stay out of that holy war | 11:35 |
| Lovechild | it's like admitting which editor I use | 11:36 |
| wwoods | yeah, I don't think I really get a say in what RH chooses to use for a database, so I'd prefer just to help the tools become db-agnostic | 11:36 |
| Lovechild | seems sane | 11:36 |
| wwoods | so anyway - if anyone wants a mugshot account, I've got 5 invites | 11:36 |
| Lovechild | I think I have a few as well | 11:37 |
| wwoods | it would be cool to use mugshot more as a way to collaborate on bug triaging | 11:37 |
| Lovechild | do we have a QA group? | 11:37 |
| wwoods | with some help from the mugshot team we could do some really tight integration, I suspect | 11:37 |
| wwoods | Lovechild: not yet, but we should! | 11:37 |
| Lovechild | yes.. Fedora QA - we do bonghits for mankind | 11:38 |
| wwoods | anyway, that concludes the FUDCon recap | 11:38 |
| wwoods | ha | 11:38 |
| wwoods | *this statement valid only in locales where bongs, and the hitting thereof, are not prohibited by law | 11:38 |
| Lovechild | any hope of getting mugshot into Extras? | 11:38 |
| Lovechild | recompiling it for x86_64 every time they update it gets old | 11:39 |
| wwoods | Lovechild: If memory serves, I don't think their release cycle works the way ours does, so they had been resistant to the idea | 11:39 |
| wwoods | personally I'd like to see it | 11:39 |
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| dmalcolm | Lovechild: it's under review IIRC | 11:39 |
| Lovechild | sounds good | 11:40 |
| wwoods | so let's talk Test1 quickly | 11:40 |
| thl | I think they didn't want it in Extras | 11:40 |
| dmalcolm | Lovechild: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=212003 | 11:40 |
| thl | they wanted mugshot in a special repo, as they want to be able to push the server and client updates at the same time | 11:40 |
| thl | they asked FESCo for permission to include it in extras cvs and to use the buildsys, but to push it to some kind of special repo | 11:41 |
| wwoods | thl: ah, yes, that was it. I knew there was something about their release schedule that was odd | 11:41 |
| Lovechild | seems ugly | 11:41 |
| thl | FESCo granted that, but it got stuck in the review afaics | 11:41 |
| Lovechild | yeah some kind of legal issue.. god bless lawyers | 11:41 |
| Lovechild | so test1.. it's really broken but it boots | 11:42 |
| wwoods | Anyway, F7t1 - have you all been looking at the tree test matrix? | 11:42 |
| wwoods | anything to add? any major complaints? | 11:42 |
| -!- Topic for #fedora-qa: Fedora QA meeting now! Agenda: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Meetings/20070215 | F7t1 test matrix: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/7/Test1TreeTesting | 11:42 | |
| -!- Topic set by wwoods [i=wwoods@nat/redhat/x-f3e97422f7b6e85b] [Thu Feb 15 11:00:39 2007] | 11:42 | |
| wwoods | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/7/Test1TreeTesting <-- matrix, if you didn't already know | 11:42 |
| kanarip | thanks, i was looking for that :) | 11:43 |
| wwoods | we were a bit rushed this time, but hopefully we should have more time to mess with the tree before freeze and release for Test2 | 11:43 |
| wwoods | I'm working hard on some changes for automated installer testing | 11:43 |
| wwoods | I got jkeating to add some patches to pungi to write out metadata for things that get built | 11:44 |
| wwoods | I'm going to send some patches to tha anaconda folks later today | 11:44 |
| Lovechild | you have been a busy bee | 11:44 |
| wwoods | we're currently in talks with legal about naming for SNAKE | 11:44 |
| Lovechild | SNAKE? | 11:44 |
| wwoods | SNAKE is the automated kickstart-based install tester I've been working on | 11:45 |
| Lovechild | okay | 11:45 |
| wwoods | it uses pykickstart to generate kickstarts (which is cool, because that's what anaconda uses to read them) | 11:45 |
| wwoods | and some metadata to figure out where the installer images etc. are in a given tree | 11:46 |
| kanarip | wwoods, i've been trying to do the same | 11:46 |
| wwoods | so then you've got a server that's got a list of trees that it knows about, and client machines can connect to the server | 11:46 |
| wwoods | and request the kernel/initrd for a given tree | 11:46 |
| wwoods | and also request a kickstart be generated (based on a bunch of user-defined templates) | 11:47 |
| wwoods | the server will pass that stuff on, and then the client reboots into the installer and installs | 11:47 |
| wwoods | I'm hoping we'll be using it for the installer testing internally for Test2 | 11:48 |
| wwoods | and I'm hoping (but can't guarantee) that it should be public by Test3 | 11:48 |
| wwoods | there will still be some manual installer testing needed, of course, but not nearly as much | 11:49 |
| Lovechild | oh and the good news, the testing I did the last time using the fluendo plugins seems to have been succesful. Using GStreamer CVS, DECODEBIN2 and the latest releases of the plugins you can now play HD content on Development, I'd strongly push for including a CVS snapshot of GStreamer soon if a release is not made | 11:49 |
| wwoods | Lovechild: interesting! I'm not sure who owns gstreamer but you might consider adding a bug about it, and blocking FC7Tracker | 11:50 |
| Lovechild | in the old days j5 owned that, but I don't think that is the case anymore | 11:51 |
| wwoods | so anyway, does anyone know of a major bug that's missing from http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/7/Test1TreeTesting? | 11:51 |
| wwoods | or does anyone have some test results they'd like reported on there? | 11:51 |
| wwoods | if not, we'll move on to talking about t2, since it freezes tuesday | 11:52 |
| wwoods | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/7 has the schedule and featurelist | 11:52 |
| wwoods | as noted there - any feature that's missing from t2 might be evicted from the release | 11:53 |
| wwoods | if there's anything there that you're really attached to, make sure that someone is working on it | 11:53 |
| wwoods | when we start getting t2 candidate trees we'll need to test those features out | 11:54 |
| wwoods | that reminds me - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/7/BuildingISOs has some instructions on building your own ISO images | 11:54 |
| wwoods | after the freeze happens, development/rawhide basically becomes the test2 rc | 11:55 |
| wwoods | so do your test installs from there | 11:55 |
| wwoods | if you need isos, make 'em | 11:55 |
| wwoods | if you need help making isos, come ask me | 11:55 |
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| Lovechild | sounds like a plan | 11:56 |
| wwoods | if you want to know how to install without isos, it's pretty dang easy. or just use the boot.iso | 11:56 |
| wwoods | (if it's available) | 11:56 |
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| wwoods | next up is some test tool discussion - just to recap a couple of previously-mentioned things | 11:57 |
| wwoods | SNAKE is getting support patches into anaconda/pungi and going through legal | 11:57 |
| wwoods | we updated some RHTS stuff to allow dogtail tests to run | 11:57 |
| wwoods | dmalcolm: do you have a link for that stuff handy? | 11:58 |
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| wwoods | lmacken's work on bodhi (the updater tool) should include a couple of things we've been dying for, like repoclosure checks (to make sure nobody pushes an update that breaks other packages) | 11:58 |
| Lovechild | oh that will be a life saver | 11:59 |
| dmalcolm | wwoods: not sure which bits you're referring to | 11:59 |
| wwoods | dmalcolm: sorry, I was thinking of the dogtail headless stuff you were hacking on at fudcon | 11:59 |
| wwoods | is it in the beaker repo or the 108 one? | 11:59 |
| dmalcolm | aha - that was updating dogtail stuff to make it easier to run inside RHTS. GNOME SVN | 12:00 |
| wwoods | (https://hosted.fedoraproject.org/projects/bodhi is the bodhi site, if you're interested in knowing more) | 12:00 |
| wwoods | dmalcolm: GNOME svn? gotcha. Is it intended to become part of the dogtail package, or do we need to pull it into beaker with our other testing tools/helpers? | 12:01 |
| dmalcolm | wwoods: if you're referring to dogtail-run-headless, that's already part of dogtail | 12:01 |
| wwoods | dmalcolm: ah, gotcha | 12:01 |
| wwoods | so it'll appear in a future dogtail update then. brilliant! thanks for refreshing my enfeebled memory. | 12:02 |
| wwoods | so it looks like we'll have three places for automated testing to occur: | 12:02 |
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| wwoods | 1) post-build sanity checks in koji (the future build system) | 12:03 |
| wwoods | 2) pre-push-to-updates-testing sanity checks (repoclosure etc.) in bodhi | 12:03 |
| wwoods | 3) post-push-to-updates-testing regression tests using beaker | 12:04 |
| Lovechild | I feel these would be famous last words but "that sounds rather foolproof" | 12:04 |
| wwoods | heh | 12:04 |
| wwoods | well, yeah, since very few of the tests are actually written yet | 12:04 |
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| wwoods | but I've got the builders of the first two tools agreement on leaving hooks for us to put tests in | 12:05 |
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| yunusozen | hi | 12:05 |
| wwoods | so there's plenty of room for us to improve the overall qa process | 12:05 |
| Lovechild | also upstream for a lot of projects has started doing unit tested and compile tests for each commit.. automated testing in open source seems to be getting an overall lift | 12:05 |
| yunusozen | how can I download a sourceforge project's maling list archive to read offline | 12:05 |
| wwoods | Lovechild: indeed, that's what we like to hear | 12:05 |
| wwoods | yunusozen: that's a strange question for this channel. we're kind of having a meeting here | 12:06 |
| wwoods | yunusozen: so unless you want to talk about fedora qa, you'd probably be better served with a google search | 12:06 |
| yunusozen | sorry,thanks | 12:07 |
| wwoods | Lovechild: that's awesome to hear! | 12:07 |
| Lovechild | wwoods: now we just need them to do performance regression testing automatically as well.. but hey any improvement on an already rocking foundation | 12:08 |
| wwoods | Lovechild: performance regressions.. yeah, that's a tough one | 12:08 |
| wwoods | it's such a fuzzy area | 12:08 |
| Lovechild | yeah well rome wasn't built in a day | 12:08 |
| wwoods | witness all the comments from gentoo users who claim their system seems "snappier" | 12:09 |
| Lovechild | wwoods: don't remind me.. I used to be one | 12:09 |
| wwoods | when the actual performance differences are nearly statistically insignificant | 12:09 |
| wwoods | Lovechild: heh, many of us were.. I think gentoo helped a lot of people learn how you put a linux distribution together | 12:09 |
| Lovechild | it's really great to get them on Fedora though, I know one who's same basic desktop used 200 megs less memory on Fedora.. | 12:10 |
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| Lovechild | his words were "what the hell was I thinking all those years" | 12:10 |
| wwoods | hah | 12:10 |
| Lovechild | regardless we have past the hour, any closing words from the wise one? | 12:11 |
| wwoods | well speaking of performance regressions - what do you know of / recommend for benchmarking stuff? | 12:11 |
| wwoods | it wouldn't be a bad idea to set up a machine or two do to automated benchmarking | 12:11 |
| wwoods | we can worry about checking the diffs and stuff after we get the benchmarks working | 12:12 |
| Lovechild | I'll investigate for the next meeting | 12:12 |
| wwoods | Lovechild: awesome, I'd appreciate that | 12:13 |
| Lovechild | also oh wise one, why have we still not got an iCal for the meeting schedule? | 12:13 |
| wwoods | I've used bonnie and lmbench before | 12:13 |
| wwoods | oh yeah! I was gonna set that up on google calendar or something | 12:13 |
| wwoods | I'll do that for the next meeting | 12:13 |
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| wwoods | (which, by the way, we'll have in #fedora-meeting) | 12:13 |
| Lovechild | but are'nt google like evil and they eat kittens? | 12:13 |
| wwoods | yeah, it'd be nice if we could just host it on fp.o somewhere, but.. meh. path of least resistance for now | 12:14 |
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| Lovechild | we really should have a Fedora calendar of holy days to mark all the meetings and such.. Google Calendar doesn't integrate with Evolution AFAIK | 12:15 |
| wwoods | in this case I take the "first, make it work. THEN you can worry about making it work the way it should" | 12:15 |
| wwoods | really? I thought google calendar exported iCal | 12:15 |
| Lovechild | Miguel requested someone make Google Calendar working with Evolution in his blog not just a few weeks ago | 12:15 |
| wwoods | AFAIK you can do it as a read-only calendar | 12:16 |
| wwoods | http://johnnyjacob.wordpress.com/2006/04/30/google-calendar-in-evolution/ | 12:16 |
| Lovechild | so I think that would be an assumption we shouldn't just make | 12:16 |
| wwoods | just like any other iCal | 12:16 |
| wwoods | I'll check that out, though | 12:16 |
| Lovechild | good | 12:16 |
| wwoods | oh, what's your mugshot username/email address? | 12:16 |
| wwoods | I'm going to make a fedora QA group | 12:16 |
| Lovechild | wwoods: david@lovesunix.net | 12:17 |
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| Lovechild | feel free to poke me anytime, I don't really have a life | 12:18 |
| wwoods | heh | 12:18 |
| wwoods | so yeah, anyone who wants into the Fedora QA group, feel free to follow it and I'll invite you | 12:19 |
| Lovechild | well I fill my days finding bugs in Fedora.. I guess my talent for breaking software pays off | 12:19 |
| wwoods | if you find interesting bugs that need investigation, swarm 'em | 12:19 |
| wwoods | anything else people wanted to discuss / request / etc? | 12:20 |
| Lovechild | nothing I can think off | 12:20 |
| Lovechild | next meeting will be next week or 14 days from now? | 12:20 |
| wwoods | next week - we'll have just released Test2 | 12:21 |
| wwoods | it may be a quick meeting though. like: "how's test2? buggy or awesome?" | 12:21 |
| wwoods | err s/released/frozen/ | 12:21 |
| Lovechild | make: *** No rule to make target `sexy time'. Stop. | 12:21 |
| wwoods | ha | 12:22 |
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| Lovechild | I'll go feed my family.. see you next week for another great adventure in software breakage | 12:22 |
| wwoods | so yeah, it would be totally awesome if you could get some good benchmark tools together for next week | 12:22 |
| wwoods | maybe a script to run a bunch of 'em and dump some results | 12:22 |
| Lovechild | I'll do my best | 12:22 |
| wwoods | but yes, feed the family and I will run for lunch | 12:22 |
| wwoods | thanks, everyone | 12:23 |
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