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| -!- wwoods changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora QA meeting | init | 11:02 | |
| wwoods | f13, jlaska, poelcat, dmalcolm.. ping | 11:03 |
| * f13 | 11:03 | |
| * jlaska | 11:04 | |
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| wwoods | so, yay, QA time | 11:05 |
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| wwoods | Alpha is looming on the horizon | 11:05 |
| -!- wwoods changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora QA Meeting | Alpha readiness | 11:05 | |
| wwoods | the F10Alpha blocker exists and has some bugs on it | 11:05 |
| wwoods | http://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=F10Alpha | 11:06 |
| buggbot | Bug 446445: low, low, ---, Bill Nottingham, ASSIGNED , Fedora 10 Alpha Blocker | 11:06 |
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| wwoods | please add bugs / review the ones already there, as appropriate | 11:06 |
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| wwoods | If there's any question about whether something's a blocker, bring it up in #fedora-qa | 11:08 |
| wwoods | as for the features that will be present in F10Alpha | 11:08 |
| wwoods | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/10/FeatureList seems to indicate that only RPM4.6 is ready to test | 11:09 |
| wwoods | (which isn't true, really - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/BetterStartup == plymouth, most of which is in rawhide) | 11:09 |
| wwoods | but definitely pay extra close attention to RPM weirdness | 11:09 |
| jlaska | wwoods: how come plymouth isn't on the proposed or approved list yet ... I gather that'll be discussed in a future fesco meeting? | 11:10 |
| wwoods | If there were more features ready for testing, we would be discussing test plans for them | 11:10 |
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| wwoods | https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2008-July/msg00912.html discusses how to write good feature test plans | 11:10 |
| wwoods | poelcat is going to be integrating that info into the Feature policy.. somewhere | 11:11 |
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| wwoods | jlaska: I suspect because it hasn't been proposed yet | 11:11 |
| wwoods | which is odd since it's already partially landed | 11:12 |
| wwoods | but whatever | 11:12 |
| wwoods | Not My Problem | 11:12 |
| wwoods | the test plan in BetterStartup is an OK start | 11:12 |
| wwoods | the big problem is.. figuring out how we're going to track our installation testing for Alpha | 11:13 |
| wwoods | it was supposed to be Testopia, but Testopia is gone | 11:13 |
| * f13 looks at dm | 11:13 | |
| f13 | dmalcolm who's not in this channel | 11:13 |
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| wwoods | dmalcolm: hiya! | 11:14 |
| dmalcolm | hiya | 11:14 |
| f13 | <wwoods> the big problem is.. figuring out how we're going to track our installation testing for Alpha | 11:14 |
| wwoods | any news on Testopia and/or its rumored replacement? | 11:14 |
| wwoods | and, followup: if we need to pull the F10 installer test plan out of the old Testopia instance, can we do that? | 11:14 |
| wwoods | there were some revisions in there that hadn't made it back to the plans in the wiki | 11:14 |
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| dmalcolm | so currently there appears to be a licensing conflict between testopia and extjs. The Mozilla foundation are apparently in talks with extjs.com, and I've heard the 18th as a date on which we hope to get some info | 11:15 |
| dmalcolm | so realistically don't expect to know until next week | 11:16 |
| dmalcolm | in the meantime, have pulled the testopia instance | 11:16 |
| dmalcolm | I've implemented a turbogears reimplementation of a UI, using same db schema | 11:16 |
| dmalcolm | I've implemented a turbogears reimplementation of a UI, using same db schema | 11:17 |
| dmalcolm | see http://publictest2.fedoraproject.org/turbozilla/ (running instance) and http://dmalcolm.fedorapeople.org/hacking/testopia/ (code) | 11:17 |
| dmalcolm | this doesn't yet have login/auth/identity so no editing | 11:17 |
| dmalcolm | I've also been trying to package every other js lib I can find | 11:18 |
| dmalcolm | in case upstream testopia wants to port away from extjs | 11:18 |
| wwoods | oh so we're literally using the same DB data with a new UI | 11:18 |
| dmalcolm | yes | 11:18 |
| jlaska | dmalcolm: what is your sense for the number of js lib's requiring packaging? | 11:18 |
| wwoods | sweet | 11:18 |
| dmalcolm | same db, in fact | 11:19 |
| dmalcolm | jlaska: only need one, just one that's license compatible | 11:19 |
| dmalcolm | would rather not entirely fork from upstream | 11:19 |
| dmalcolm | to answer earlier question re data migration: I wrote a sqlalchemy mapping for the db schema, so it's fairly simple to write python scripts to extract data | 11:20 |
| dmalcolm | so options are: | 11:20 |
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| dmalcolm | (i) hope licensing is resolved within reasonable timeframe and use testopia + extjs | 11:21 |
| dmalcolm | (ii) port testopia to another js lib | 11:21 |
| dmalcolm | (iii) use reimplemented UI ("turbozilla") to talk to same db and work on that to provide functionmality needed | 11:21 |
| dmalcolm | (iv) migrate data back to wiki | 11:22 |
| dmalcolm | (v) use "litmus", another tcms | 11:22 |
| dmalcolm | (vi) other things I haven't thought of | 11:22 |
| dmalcolm | I don't have a sense of the fedora qa team's timeframe, I'm afraid | 11:23 |
| wwoods | well, Alpha freezes on Tuesday the 22nd | 11:24 |
| dmalcolm | ah | 11:24 |
| jlaska | might I suggest we do 2 things in parallel? | 11:24 |
| wwoods | and then we have about a week to test before it gets released | 11:24 |
| wwoods | Beta / PR are each one month later than the previous | 11:24 |
| jlaska | wwoods: I don't believe there is much to do in terms of 'migrate data back to wiki' ... is there? | 11:24 |
| wwoods | There were some cases adde | 11:24 |
| * jlaska thinking of 'installation test plan' not rawhide plans | 11:24 | |
| wwoods | err added | 11:24 |
| wwoods | installation test plan is a superset of rawhide plans | 11:25 |
| jlaska | yeah, very few though right ... nothing that needs fancy scripting | 11:25 |
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| wwoods | so changes to the rawhide plan imply changes to installation plan | 11:25 |
| f13 | given that I'm spinning up a full set of bits to test today it'd be nice to have /somewhere/ to record resutls | 11:25 |
| f13 | results | 11:25 |
| jlaska | f13: perhaps your efforts could dovetail with dmalcolms turbozilla efforts? | 11:26 |
| jlaska | while the baseline of testing would work through wiki results (yes, not optimal) | 11:26 |
| f13 | my efforts are just to produce something for people /to/ test. | 11:26 |
| jlaska | dmalcolm: I gather the additional of authentication and data entry to turbozilla is likely a large effort (1 week)? | 11:27 |
| dmalcolm | maybe much shorter if i can get lmacken's help | 11:27 |
| dmalcolm | lmacken: around? | 11:27 |
| dmalcolm | or anyone else with advanced turbogears-fu | 11:28 |
| DemonJester | Just my opinion but bringing in a completely new reporting system for testing at this point may take away from actual testing due to the learning curve and issues with the system itself that may crop up, keep in mind I am not a fan of the wiki-style test results but it seems giving the timeframe we have, the may be no choice. Just my opinion. | 11:28 |
| dmalcolm | fair point | 11:28 |
| jlaska | DemonJester: I agree | 11:29 |
| wwoods | DemonJester: yes, but right now we have *no* reporting system | 11:29 |
| jlaska | I'd recommend we continue to support dmalcolm+friends with the turbozilla efforts ... while walking through the test plan for Alpha | 11:29 |
| f13 | DemonJester: we're at that point no matter what, since the previous "reporting" system was Moin, and now we have MediaWiki | 11:30 |
| DemonJester | wwoods that is an issue :-( | 11:30 |
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| f13 | DemonJester: so no matter what, there is going to be re-training on test inputs. I'd rather that be on a !wiki system since that'll actually make things easier. | 11:30 |
| DemonJester | f13 understood | 11:30 |
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| dmalcolm | I have the beginnings of a reporting UI, but need to hook into auth | 11:31 |
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| dmalcolm | hook for creating builds and runs would also be needed | 11:32 |
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| wwoods | no lmacken, alas | 11:34 |
| wwoods | Well. I guess we're going to have to plan to use the wiki for Alpha | 11:34 |
| wwoods | or just do something ad-hoc like.. using gobby | 11:35 |
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| lmacken | dmalcolm: what's up ? | 11:36 |
| wwoods | actually gobby isn't a terrible idea for Alpha, since it's really easy to edit collaboratively | 11:36 |
| wwoods | but not really that great for recordkeeping | 11:36 |
| lmacken | aww, the 'git commit -a' cronjob isn't good enough ? :) | 11:37 |
| dmalcolm | lmacken: any chance of some tg hacking help over next day or so? | 11:37 |
| lmacken | dmalcolm: sure | 11:37 |
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| wwoods | okay cool. | 11:42 |
| wwoods | jlaska: so I assumed you meant we'd be doing reporting/coordination on the wiki for Alpha | 11:43 |
| wwoods | let's just keep going with that, since we don't really have any other choice at the moment | 11:43 |
| jlaska | wwoods: that'd be my suggestion ... it's a known/familiar path | 11:43 |
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| wwoods | we'll revisit this after alpha, and hopefully we'll be able to start using.. something | 11:43 |
| wwoods | we'll see how that shakes out | 11:44 |
| jlaska | I can reduce/mitigate the data entry warts on the wiki for the Alpha | 11:44 |
| f13 | jlaska: except it's not "known". | 11:44 |
| wwoods | so we need to revise the installation test plan as it exists in the wiki, for f10 | 11:44 |
| wwoods | and we need to create a results matrix | 11:44 |
| f13 | jlaska: last time we used the wiki for testing it was moin, not mediawiki | 11:44 |
| jlaska | f13: ah I see what you mean | 11:44 |
| jlaska | f13: using the wiki is known ... but you are correct, there may/will be some mediawiki specific data entry changes | 11:45 |
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| jlaska | wwoods: I'd suggest we have a result page per architecture ... to simplify edits | 11:45 |
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| wwoods | fair enough | 11:46 |
| wwoods | does that mean you're volunteering to set that up? | 11:46 |
| wwoods | heh | 11:46 |
| jlaska | perhaps something like ... TestResults/F10Alpha_i386, TestResults/F10Alpha_ppc, TestResults/F10Alpha_x86_64 | 11:46 |
| jlaska | wwoods: I'll be happy to set that up ... feel free to put me down in the notes as ACTION ITEM'd :) | 11:46 |
| f13 | I'd prefer they were blocks on the same page | 11:47 |
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| f13 | so that if I finished multiple tests at once I can just edit the whole page, or just one of the arch sections. | 11:47 |
| jlaska | f13: ah ... so use different sections in the TOC for each arch? | 11:47 |
| jlaska | that's do able | 11:47 |
| f13 | mmcgrath: I'm going to upgrade kernel-xen on test3, that should get us back in business. | 11:47 |
| jlaska | I wanted to avoid data entry in the same table record ... confusing as to which arch was executed and who was responsible for that execution | 11:47 |
| f13 | right, that's a great goal | 11:48 |
| jlaska | so I think we can still make it useful w/o being too painful for data entry for the Alpha | 11:49 |
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| f13 | nod | 11:50 |
| f13 | and if/when we get a new reporting system we can always backlog the wiki results | 11:50 |
| wwoods | right. | 11:52 |
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| wwoods | okay, so, that's decided: results in wiki page, different sections per arch | 11:52 |
| wwoods | jlaska will set up the results matrix | 11:53 |
| dmalcolm | seems like the sanest approach. I'll continue trying to put a db-backed tool together, but looks like there's no way I can guarantee something for Alpha | 11:53 |
| wwoods | myself and jlaska will make sure all the test plan changes from testopia are pulled into the wiki test plan | 11:53 |
| wwoods | dmalcolm: that's fine, your efforts to date are already heroic | 11:54 |
| dmalcolm | heh thanks | 11:54 |
| wwoods | dmalcolm: we'll talk again about it next week and hopefully have a better idea what our options are, realistically | 11:54 |
| wwoods | that's about all I can think of for Alpha readiness. anything else? | 11:55 |
| dmalcolm | will let you know if/when I here about updates on the licensing issue | 11:55 |
| dmalcolm | s/here/hear/g | 11:55 |
| wwoods | dmalcolm: appreciated, thank you | 11:55 |
| poelcat | what are the next steps with the "QA Board"? | 11:56 |
| * poelcat saw his name mentioned last week on the scrollback :) | 11:56 | |
| wwoods | what about it? I should make the decision public but I've been distracted | 11:56 |
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| wwoods | it's really just codifying the de facto current QA decision-making process | 11:58 |
| wwoods | I'll make sure I post to fedora-test-list about it | 11:58 |
| poelcat | okay | 12:00 |
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| wwoods | anything else? | 12:03 |
| f13 | yeah | 12:03 |
| f13 | I'm AFK the next 2 days, back for most of Monday, and then at OLS the rest of next week | 12:04 |
| wwoods | whee! good to know | 12:04 |
| wwoods | will you be around for the meeting, if we need you? | 12:04 |
| jlaska | f13: any big ticket QA-related items you'll need traction on in your absence? | 12:04 |
| f13 | maybe? I'm really not sure what OLS will bring me | 12:04 |
| f13 | jlaska: beating hard on rawhide / snapshots we make of alpha tag is essentially it | 12:05 |
| poelcat | f13: releng meeting canceled next week? | 12:05 |
| wwoods | fair 'nuff | 12:05 |
| f13 | I'm making up full blowin pungi trees for testing today | 12:05 |
| f13 | poelcat: I'll be there for Monday | 12:05 |
| poelcat | okay | 12:05 |
| f13 | also I'll make sure that people know how to make pungi trees and mash output in my absense | 12:05 |
| f13 | potentially in PHX for full sharing. | 12:05 |
| jlaska | f13: good thinking, that'd be much appreciated | 12:05 |
| wwoods | awesome, thanks | 12:10 |
| wwoods | okay, I'm gonna call it and get me some lunch | 12:10 |
| * f13 too | 12:10 | |
| wwoods | mail to -test-list will follow that | 12:10 |
| wwoods | thanks, folks | 12:10 |
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| stickster | <meeting> | 15:01 |
| stickster | Roll call! | 15:01 |
| * ianweller | 15:02 | |
| * spevack is just an hour early for the fedora emea meeting :) | 15:03 | |
| ianweller | hell of a meeting, so it seems. ;)) | 15:03 |
| * spevack wants to write a document entitled "how to be snarky in 8 easy steps" | 15:03 | |
| stickster | spevack: You just did it in 1, my friend | 15:03 |
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| stickster | *stragglers | 15:04 |
| stickster | OK | 15:05 |
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| stickster | Did people get a chance to read my recent brain dump to the list? | 15:05 |
| nim-nim | I'll be in and out nearby if you need me | 15:05 |
| stickster | http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2008-July/msg00014.html | 15:06 |
| stickster | and http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2008-July/msg00024.html | 15:06 |
| stickster | Let me give you the big picture first | 15:07 |
| stickster | Release Notes are *IMPORTANT* | 15:07 |
| stickster | We have the best ones in the business. | 15:07 |
| stickster | The IRC ops use them *constantly* to help people | 15:07 |
| stickster | And they're at risk for F10 if we don't start doing work now. | 15:08 |
| stickster | We basically need several things: | 15:08 |
| stickster | 1. Update responsibility list for beats | 15:09 |
| stickster | 2. Revamp build process | 15:09 |
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| stickster | Who can take the lead on flushing the beat ownership? That is, finding out if the person listed as a beat owner is still doing the job, and then updating our ownership record so we can find new people? | 15:11 |
| * jsmith is happy to help out with build process | 15:11 | |
| stickster | jsmith: Noted, awesome! | 15:11 |
| stickster | #1 is a simpler but just as important task | 15:11 |
| ianweller | i don't think i can commit to very many things right now until i figure out my work load at school when it starts in a month :( | 15:11 |
| stickster | ianweller: Understood. | 15:11 |
| * stickster realizes our attendance is light, and the people here right now can't do all the work. Part of this is "for the record." | 15:12 | |
| ianweller | for the record, get to work, people who aren't here. /me shakes fist | 15:12 |
| ianweller | ;) | 15:12 |
| stickster | that's one way to motivate :-D | 15:12 |
| stickster | Typically, mether ends up coming in and revamping all the release notes at the last minute because beat writers aren't there to do the work. The *concept* is strong. FWN proves it every week. | 15:13 |
| stickster | We need to execute the same strategy well, since we started the doggone concept. | 15:13 |
| stickster | OK, 'nuff said. jsmith, thanks for the offer of help for the build process, I'm going to take you up on it. | 15:14 |
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| stickster | jsmith: Along those lines, I need help scoping the project and editing/entering milestones and tickets in Trac that are sensible and will help us track the work. | 15:14 |
| jsmith | OK... I'll do what I can. | 15:15 |
| jsmith | Haven't ever done much with trac before, but I'm happy to learn | 15:15 |
| stickster | jsmith: It's dead simple. | 15:15 |
| jsmith | Gotcha | 15:15 |
| stickster | jsmith: Let's take this offline and try and do a little bit either after this meeting, or agree on a scheduled time | 15:15 |
| jsmith | OK, sounds good | 15:15 |
| stickster | (at your convenience of course) | 15:15 |
| quaid | oi amigos | 15:15 |
| stickster | Anything further on Release Notes? | 15:16 |
| stickster | quaid: ^^ "Danger Will Robinson" message proceeding. | 15:16 |
| stickster | Oh lord. | 15:16 |
| stickster | *preceding. | 15:16 |
| stickster | OK | 15:16 |
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| stickster | quaid: I hand the gavel to you sir | 15:17 |
| * quaid up on the buffer now | 15:17 | |
| quaid | triage ... as in? | 15:17 |
| stickster | Two things immediately came to mind for me: | 15:17 |
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| stickster | (1) Bugs in bugzilla, some languishing. Are the owned by people who can/will take care of them? | 15:18 |
| quaid | ah, hmm | 15:18 |
| stickster | (2) More generally, project progress. Compare and contrast FDP in 2003 to FDP in 2008. Are we achieving what we should as an official subproject? | 15:19 |
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| quaid | heh, yeah | 15:19 |
| quaid | so, on the first | 15:19 |
| quaid | we need a triage effort on just that, yeah | 15:20 |
| * quaid battling sudden ennui | 15:20 | |
| * stickster dumps link here for reference: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?query_format=&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=&product=Fedora+Documentation&version=&component=&query_format=advanced&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=NEEDINFO&bug_status=MODIFIED&long_desc_type=allwordssubstr&long_desc=&bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&bug_file_loc=&status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr&status_whiteboard=&fixed_in_type=allwo | 15:21 | |
| buggbot | <http://tinyurl.com/59lw78> (at bugzilla.redhat.com) | 15:21 |
| stickster | oh criminy | 15:21 |
| stickster | sorry :-D | 15:21 |
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| stickster | Thank you buggbot | 15:21 |
| stickster | I spent about three hours or so a couple weekends back clearing out about half the bugs in my queue, which was useful | 15:22 |
| quaid | what about making next week's meeting a working meeting to triage bugs? | 15:23 |
| stickster | I'm down with that, anyone else available to help?" | 15:23 |
| jds2001 | did i hear you guys need triage?? :) | 15:23 |
| quaid | :D | 15:23 |
| stickster | jds2001: heh | 15:23 |
| stickster | jds2001: We need people. | 15:24 |
| stickster | jds2001: Hey wait... YOU'RE people!!! | 15:24 |
| nim-nim | jds2001: and fonts :p | 15:24 |
| quaid | jds2001: I was hesitating to ask, but take a look at that buggbot URL above to see the scope of the problem :) | 15:24 |
| stickster | quaid: In fairness, both these topics belong on the fedora-docs-list. But I had spammed the list enough this week and didn't want to overdo it. | 15:25 |
| quaid | yeah | 15:25 |
| quaid | ok, here, I'll email that next week meeting is bug triage | 15:25 |
| quaid | oh carp | 15:25 |
| * quaid realized he probably won't be available next week | 15:26 | |
| jds2001 | it's unlikely that I can make most of these - I'm stretched pretty thin with $DAYJOB right now | 15:26 |
| stickster | jds2001: we were 1/2 kidding anyway, do not be troubled | 15:26 |
| quaid | but the triaging concepts will help | 15:26 |
| jds2001 | take as evidence that they had me working 1 week after being operated on :) | 15:26 |
| quaid | in terms of what is still viable, etc. | 15:26 |
| * quaid mumbles about "they" | 15:27 | |
| stickster | quaid: Here's a directly applicable issue -- how long is our timeline for getting new contributors, via the stuff you're doing with Seneca? | 15:27 |
| jds2001 | if you need help (and have documentation about helping with the documentation :) ), I'm sure we'd be happy to | 15:27 |
| quaid | I don't think it meshes well with F10 early work :) | 15:27 |
| stickster | What is the date by which we would expect to see people coming in to Docs, and how many do you think that will be? | 15:27 |
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| quaid | ok, like this -- upwards of 25 coming in to Fedora, but we can't guarantee the interest just within Docs; some may want to embed deeper in other areas with Docs as the tie-back | 15:28 |
| quaid | that is, these are (as usual) self-assigning entities :) | 15:28 |
| stickster | Hm. | 15:28 |
| quaid | our tasks list is a strong part of that | 15:28 |
| quaid | I set the goal of having tasks updated by early August | 15:29 |
| quaid | so we have a chance to get the Seneca wiki updated with links etc. throughout August | 15:29 |
| quaid | and Sep is when classes start | 15:29 |
| quaid | the goal then is to get ppl involved ASAP, right within the first weeks | 15:29 |
| quaid | so by end of Sep, fairly full involvement as a partial component of classwork | 15:29 |
| quaid | by Jan, all involvement == classwork (that is the co-op, work experience part of the class) | 15:30 |
| quaid | how does that mesh with other timelines? | 15:30 |
| stickster | Alpha is August 5. Beta is end of August iirc, and right now F10 final is still pegged for 29 Oct. | 15:30 |
| stickster | quaid: But all of those dates I just gave are not meaningful unless we know that someone(s) in that group will come in to help with our particular Docs targets. | 15:31 |
| stickster | i.e. help with relnote beat wrangling | 15:31 |
| stickster | with IG updates | 15:31 |
| quaid | I can reckon that, yes, someone will | 15:31 |
| stickster | with wiki gardening | 15:31 |
| quaid | I'm just saying it's hard to predict exact numbers :) | 15:32 |
| quaid | but this is partially up to us | 15:32 |
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| stickster | Sure, but even two people would be about twice as many as we've had | 15:32 |
| quaid | if our task list is "relnotes, IG, wiki gardening" | 15:32 |
| quaid | then guess what people will be doing? | 15:32 |
| stickster | heh | 15:32 |
| stickster | right on. | 15:32 |
| quaid | yeah, so let's be careful about task scope; maybe be more granular in just those three areas? | 15:32 |
| stickster | yes, agreed. | 15:32 |
| quaid | and put all the other work (Sec Guide, User Guide, Admin Guide) as good for $later | 15:33 |
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| stickster | The other issue, project status is... probably a timesuck in this meeting. | 15:34 |
| stickster | So I'm sorry I put it on there. I'll raise it on the list. | 15:34 |
| quaid | hmm, ok | 15:34 |
| quaid | looks like I'm not on booth duty on Wed at 1900, I'll just make sure Jack or Greg don't pull me in to some interesting discussion :) | 15:35 |
| * quaid hopes there is good wifi at OSCON :/ | 15:35 | |
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| fugolini | hi | 15:35 |
| fugolini | sorry but my internet connection didn't work | 15:35 |
| fugolini | is there someone? | 15:35 |
| fugolini | FAmSCo meeting | 15:36 |
| quaid | fugolini: in 24 minutes | 15:36 |
| quaid | Docs currently | 15:36 |
| fugolini | ops sorry | 15:36 |
| quaid | np | 15:36 |
| quaid | ok, so, bugs ... OK to do a working meeting next week | 15:36 |
| jsmith | Works for me... I won't be here :-( | 15:37 |
| stickster | yup. | 15:37 |
| quaid | and in the meantime, recruit heavily for beats | 15:37 |
| ianweller | brb | 15:37 |
| quaid | blog blog blog and so on | 15:37 |
| stickster | quaid: Yeah, I have a blog post open for it too. | 15:38 |
| quaid | each of us here needs to do recruiting across the board | 15:38 |
| stickster | let's double up | 15:38 |
| stickster | triple, even. | 15:38 |
| quaid | and track that progress on Docs/Beats/ | 15:38 |
| * stickster can't find beat assignment page... later. | 15:39 | |
| * stickster motions to move on | 15:39 | |
| * jsmith seconds the motion | 15:39 | |
| quaid | ok | 15:40 |
| quaid | I'm about to have to disappear | 15:40 |
| quaid | do we have anything else on the agend? or other biz? | 15:40 |
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| stickster | odfpy and python-mwlib packages. | 15:41 |
| stickster | These give us the opportunity to turn MediaWiki into DocBook. About as effective as moin's was. | 15:41 |
| stickster | Which is to say, not awesome, but definitely passable. | 15:41 |
| * stickster also notes that MW is extensible in that we can mark extra tags. | 15:41 | |
| stickster | I wonder why we don't get a Simplified DocBook XML tagset available in MW and use it. | 15:42 |
| stickster | Then python-mwlib and odfpy could product X/HTML, ODT, and (later) PDF on demand | 15:42 |
| stickster | If ricky, ianweller, mmcgrath were listening in, they might be interested in such a thing. | 15:43 |
| stickster | I don't know if quaid is still here or not. | 15:44 |
| stickster | efo | 15:45 |
| stickster | oh crikey.... eof | 15:45 |
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| jsmith | I like the idea... just have no idea on implementation details | 15:45 |
| stickster | jsmith: Basically, if it can be done with Python, then our Web geniuses like the folks above, and lmacken, G, and others could build an interface that would pump out the doc from the site. | 15:46 |
| stickster | And our doc editing would basically all become editing on MediaWiki. | 15:46 |
| stickster | However, that doesn't necessarily work for a couple guides like the Release Notes that need to be available in the build system, have really strict markup, etc. | 15:47 |
| stickster | But it would work for the vast majority of other stuff. | 15:47 |
| stickster | Anyway, worth a thought. | 15:48 |
| stickster | eof | 15:48 |
| * herlo is late | 15:48 | |
| stickster | herlo: Just read the above, we figured everything out. | 15:48 |
| stickster | Peace in the Middle East at last! Aaahh. | 15:48 |
| herlo | if I was in MDT it would have worked actually | 15:49 |
| herlo | stickster: w00t! about time that happened. I thought we'd never have peace again! | 15:49 |
| * stickster gonna close the meeting unless someone has something further. | 15:49 | |
| stickster | AOB? | 15:49 |
| stickster | 15.. | 15:50 |
| stickster | 10.. | 15:50 |
| stickster | 5 | 15:50 |
| stickster | 4 | 15:50 |
| stickster | 3 | 15:50 |
| stickster | 2 | 15:50 |
| stickster | </meeting> | 15:50 |
| stickster | OK, I'll drop a log to the wiki and the list. If I have time I'll write a summary too | 15:51 |
| stickster | jsmith: herlo: ianweller: thanks guys | 15:51 |
| jsmith | stickster: No worries | 15:51 |
| herlo | k, well I'll read through it when its posted and give any feedback I can | 15:52 |
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| bochecha | hi | 15:53 |
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| Milanito | hi | 15:54 |
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| Gaaruto | hi | 15:54 |
| Milanito | hi Gaaruto | 15:55 |
| bochecha | hi Milanito | 15:55 |
| Milanito | hi BobJensen | 15:55 |
| Milanito | hi bochecha | 15:55 |
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| nihed | hi | 15:56 |
| Milanito | hi nihed | 15:57 |
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| fugolini | hello | 15:57 |
| MrTom | hi | 15:57 |
| Milanito | helle fugolini | 15:57 |
| Milanito | hello* | 15:57 |
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| fugolini | hi Milanito | 15:59 |
| fcrippa | hi :-) | 15:59 |
| Milanito | hi fcrippa | 15:59 |
| spevack | hello | 15:59 |
| ianweller | lots of "hi"s. | 16:00 |
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| fabian_a | Welcome everybody. Let's have Fedora Ambassadors Meeting EMEA. It's 20.00 UTC | 16:00 |
| * spevack is here | 16:01 | |
| Milanito | lets have it | 16:01 |
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| fabian_a | i guess a lot of ambassadors are around | 16:01 |
| fabian_a | let's start...please state your wiki name please (aka roll call) | 16:01 |
| rsc | RobertScheck | 16:01 |
| Milanito | MatthieuRondeau | 16:02 |
| spevack | Max Spevack | 16:02 |
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| spevack | stickster: hi! | 16:02 |
| petreu_ | PeterReuschlein | 16:02 |
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| rsc | Well, wiki name? User:robert | 16:02 |
| red_alert | SandroMathys | 16:02 |
| nihed | NihedMbarek | 16:02 |
| fcrippa | FrancescoCrippa | 16:02 |
| sdziallas | SebastianDziallas | 16:02 |
| MrTom | ThomasCanniot | 16:02 |
| bochecha | MathieuBridon | 16:02 |
| fabian_a | stickster: thanks | 16:02 |
| SePhIr0tH | RichardRondu | 16:02 |
| spevack | I love seeing all these people here! | 16:02 |
| fabian_a | FabianAffolter | 16:02 |
| Pikachu_2015 | MohamedElmorabity | 16:02 |
| kital | JoergSimon | 16:02 |
| * stickster didn't clean up well after himself, sorry | 16:02 | |
| stickster | Uh oh, we left the coffee pot on, too. | 16:02 |
| mether | RahulSundaram | 16:02 |
| fugolini | FrancescoUgolini | 16:02 |
| stickster | Holy moley, I wish this was the Docs meeting :-D | 16:03 |
| cwickert | cwickert | 16:03 |
| fabian_a | Just a reminder. We'll still follow our meeting protocol to make this meeting quick and efficient. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/IRCHowTo#Protocol . Thank you | 16:03 |
| red_alert | I wish there were always so many ppl at our meetings ;) | 16:03 |
| fabian_a | sorry, wiki name is not correct anymore but good to see that most attendees can remember the old style | 16:04 |
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| fabian_a | Now, please open our meeting page at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings/2008-07-16 for the agenda | 16:05 |
| fabian_a | 1. News from FAmSCo | 16:05 |
| fabian_a | i would like to pass the ball to fugolini because I was off the during the last month | 16:05 |
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| fugolini | Thank you | 16:06 |
| spevack | after fugolini, i will say a few words | 16:06 |
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| zydoon | Hi | 16:06 |
| fabian_a | spevack: thank you | 16:06 |
| fugolini | i don't want to discuss about budget | 16:06 |
| Gaaruto | BourdouleixSylvain | 16:07 |
| fugolini | personally i want only to underline the importance to have feedback from the community to better adress our work | 16:07 |
| fugolini | we discussed about the local situations, and i think it would be a great thing to know what you need and what you want to see from FAmSCo | 16:07 |
| fugolini | just this. eof | 16:07 |
| spevack | ! | 16:08 |
| fabian_a | spevack, please | 16:08 |
| spevack | I'd like to add a little bit to what fugolini is saying. First of all, | 16:08 |
| spevack | I think everyone in EMEA community should be very proud of themselves | 16:08 |
| spevack | because you are setting an example for how to run an Ambassadors program in a large continent with many different languages | 16:09 |
| spevack | and it is wonderful work. | 16:09 |
| spevack | From the FAMSCo perspective, I want to mention two things: | 16:09 |
| spevack | 1) We are in the process of making sure that we have a list of all the events that will take place from September - November | 16:09 |
| spevack | so please make sure, if you have an event, or you know about an event, that you add it to the page | 16:10 |
| spevack | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents | 16:10 |
| spevack | 2) FAMSCo will be making another contribution to Fedora EMEA e.V. in August -- not sure what the exact amount will be yet, but probably 1500 - 2000 EUR | 16:10 |
| spevack | fabian_a: should I talk more about Fedora EMEA e.v. now, or later? | 16:11 |
| jdieter | JonathanDieter | 16:11 |
| fabian_a | we can talk later about Fedora EMEA | 16:11 |
| spevack | ok, then as far as FAMSCo, that is all for me. EOF. Any questions or comments? | 16:11 |
| fabian_a | ok, next | 16:12 |
| fabian_a | kital: would you like to tell us something your work for the Ambassadors Membership Verification Service? | 16:13 |
| spevack | kital: your work on that is *excellent* :) | 16:13 |
| spevack | thank you so much | 16:13 |
| fugolini | +1 | 16:14 |
| kital | thanks for the flowers | 16:14 |
| kital | wait i had i had 227 Konversations since Linuxtag | 16:14 |
| kital | we had 148 Requests for membership | 16:15 |
| kital | eof | 16:15 |
| fabian_a | kital: thanks | 16:15 |
| bochecha | ? | 16:15 |
| fabian_a | bochecha, | 16:15 |
| bochecha | sorry if I am a bit late on this, but what exactly is this membership verification service ? | 16:16 |
| bochecha | eof | 16:16 |
| kital | ! | 16:16 |
| fabian_a | kital, | 16:16 |
| kital | bochecha: this is simple the process to approve and guide new Ambassadors into the Probation Period and Membership | 16:17 |
| kital | eof | 16:17 |
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| fabian_a | anything else about membership verification? questions? | 16:17 |
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| fabian_a | no? | 16:18 |
| * fcrippa_ is back... (sorry, umts connection....) | 16:18 | |
| fabian_a | next point...events | 16:18 |
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| spevack | bochecha: kital has done excellent work in helping to automate this process, and build infrastructure around it | 16:18 |
| spevack | EOF' | 16:18 |
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| fabian_a | LUG Radio Live? | 16:19 |
| spevack | sure | 16:19 |
| spevack | This is a comparatively small event. | 16:20 |
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| spevack | I am giving one of the "keynote" speeches. | 16:20 |
| spevack | it will be similar to the speech I gave at LinuxTag during our FUDCon | 16:20 |
| spevack | because that message -- of how we build our community and prioritize the decisions that we make -- is one we are trying to spread | 16:20 |
| spevack | I was hoping that JonathanRoberts would be able to attend the event, but it didn't work out. | 16:20 |
| spevack | So there will only be a few other Red Hat people there, who are in the UK. | 16:21 |
| spevack | but I will be representing Fedora | 16:21 |
| spevack | and hoping to recruit a few new people to the project | 16:21 |
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| spevack | mostly, we are going to that event because the organizers asked me to speak. | 16:21 |
| spevack | EOF | 16:21 |
| fabian_a | spevack: thanks for the details | 16:22 |
| fabian_a | FrOSCon 2008? | 16:22 |
| spevack | I will write an event report for Fedora Planet and ambassadors list | 16:22 |
| * spevack looks at red_alert :) | 16:22 | |
| RodrigoPadula | hi guys, | 16:22 |
| RodrigoPadula | famsco meeting ? | 16:22 |
| spevack | hi RodrigoPadula: Fedora EMEA meeting, actually | 16:23 |
| fabian_a | RodrigoPadula: yes | 16:23 |
| fabian_a | RodrigoPadula: no, ambassadors meeting | 16:23 |
| red_alert | me? uhm...I think there's nothing new on FrOSCon that's on on the mailing list. I hope the other organizers are doing something too ;) | 16:23 |
| spevack | RodrigoPadula: ping fugolini in #fedora-mktg and he'll tell you about FAMSCo | 16:24 |
| spevack | red_alert: ok, so let's talk about what needs to be done. | 16:24 |
| spevack | what needs to be done? | 16:24 |
| red_alert | I won't be able to attend the event as I announced so I was hoping for the other owners (spevack and romal) to take over | 16:24 |
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| spevack | red_alert: I missed your announcement, I'm sorry. | 16:24 |
| spevack | so, what needs to be done? We know that we have a speaking slot. | 16:25 |
| red_alert | you wrote the list what's needed yourself ;) http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/FrOSCon/FrOSCon2008#Needed | 16:25 |
| spevack | i believe that we need to figure out what to do about some swag for the event. | 16:25 |
| spevack | red_alert: obviously I am a bit confused tonight :) | 16:25 |
| spevack | ok, so mostly the needs are swag | 16:26 |
| red_alert | I think you definately need an accomodation before anything else ;) | 16:26 |
| spevack | red_alert: yes, that is true :) | 16:26 |
| spevack | I wanted to ask in this meeting, either Gerold or kital, if we can make some shirts from a company here that we have used before? tshirts, maybe? | 16:26 |
| spevack | I would like to pay for them from Fedora EMEA budget, and use them for various events | 16:26 |
| spevack | but I do not have the contacts with the companies. and maybe other folks do? | 16:27 |
| kital | ! | 16:27 |
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| spevack | kital: go ahead! | 16:27 |
| spevack | please! :) | 16:27 |
| kital | i will make it! | 16:27 |
| kital | eof | 16:27 |
| spevack | kital: ok, I will send you email and we can figure out design, quantity, sizes, etc.? | 16:27 |
| kital | yes! | 16:28 |
| spevack | ok. Great. | 16:28 |
| spevack | Then I think we are mostly ok for FrOSCon, at least for this meeting. | 16:28 |
| spevack | EOF | 16:28 |
| red_alert | eof | 16:28 |
| spevack | kital: i will follow up with you tomorrow, ok? | 16:28 |
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| fabian_a | thank you guys | 16:29 |
| spevack | fabian_a: you wanted to talk about Open Expo? | 16:29 |
| fabian_a | in September after FUDCon the autumn edition of the annual Swiss open source event named OpenExpo will take place at Winterthur | 16:30 |
| fabian_a | it's a small event with around 1000 visitors | 16:31 |
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| fabian_a | for detail check http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/OpenExpo/OpenExpo2008_Zurich | 16:31 |
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| fabian_a | if you want to join us, please drop me a line... | 16:32 |
| GeroldKa | ! | 16:32 |
| fabian_a | GeroldKa, | 16:32 |
| GeroldKa | me wants to drop the line; I have 6 OLPC for you for OpenExpo | 16:32 |
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| GeroldKa | and also from now until then with a small interrupt of two weeks | 16:33 |
| GeroldKa | eof | 16:33 |
| spevack | GeroldKa: where did you get 6 OLPCs??? that is incredible | 16:33 |
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| spevack | GeroldKa: hello, by the way :) | 16:33 |
| GeroldKa | and also sorry for late I worked until now | 16:33 |
| GeroldKa | hi there max | 16:33 |
| red_alert | just as a sidenote: we don't have space at openexpo for 6 olpc | 16:34 |
| fabian_a | with 6 olpcs we will ahve a problem with the space at ypur so called booth | 16:34 |
| spevack | maybe we don't bring all 6 to Open Expo :) | 16:34 |
| GeroldKa | it`s up to you, but I have them borrowed (also for OpenExpo) | 16:34 |
| GeroldKa | if you don't want them ... | 16:35 |
| fabian_a | but it's good to know that this machines are only 100 km away | 16:35 |
| GeroldKa | OK, no doubt | 16:35 |
| GeroldKa | I found some other guys who want to have them at that time | 16:35 |
| spevack | fabian_a: FAMSCo will allocate official budget for OpenExpo in August, when FAMSCo makes all the budget planning for Q3 (September - November). But you know this since you are in FAMSCo ;) | 16:35 |
| spevack | but it is an important event | 16:35 |
| spevack | jan wildeboer from red hat will be there | 16:35 |
| spevack | and several other Red Hat people | 16:35 |
| spevack | there will be meetings about Open Standards, I think, that Jan will be in | 16:36 |
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| spevack | one of the things that I am going to try to do for all of us soon is get a list from Andrea Schneider of all the events that Red Hat Marketing is going to in EMEA, so that we can always know when there is overlap with Fedora Events. | 16:36 |
| spevack | EOF | 16:37 |
| fabian_a | in September there will be a lot of events...FUDCon, OpenExpo, PCL, GITEX, and on and on | 16:38 |
| fabian_a | some more about events? | 16:38 |
| MrTom | ! | 16:39 |
| spevack | ! (but MrTom first) | 16:39 |
| fabian_a | MrTom, | 16:39 |
| MrTom | about the events, what is also important is to keep up to date the pages of the wiki. And I know for sure that it is a very difficult exercice. | 16:40 |
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| MrTom | however it helps a lot to know who / what /when / why when FAMSCO is allocating budgets to your events, so please keep this in mind. Up to date pages is not useless at all | 16:41 |
| MrTom | eof | 16:41 |
| fabian_a | spevack, | 16:41 |
| spevack | I want to quickly mention FUDCon | 16:41 |
| spevack | I will be updating the page in great detail tomorrow or Friday, before I leave for UK and LUG Radio Live | 16:42 |
| spevack | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FUDCon/FUDConBrno2008 | 16:42 |
| spevack | But we know that it will be in Czech Republic (Brno), September 5-7. Saturday Sep. 6 will be the most "important" day. | 16:42 |
| spevack | Also I will be able to give hotel information soon. It seems very inexpensive, especially if people share a room. | 16:43 |
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| spevack | More information next week... but I hope that many people can go. We will do one FUDCon in EMEA every year. | 16:43 |
| spevack | This year in Czech Republic. | 16:43 |
| spevack | Next year, somewhere else! :) | 16:43 |
| spevack | EOF | 16:43 |
| spevack | also, there will be special FUDCon tshirts. EOF | 16:43 |
| GeroldKa | I prefer Switzerland next year | 16:44 |
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| red_alert | +1 ;) | 16:44 |
| GeroldKa | I also offered you University of Basel as Event Place | 16:44 |
| fabian_a | +1 | 16:44 |
| kital | +1 | 16:44 |
| zydoon | +1 | 16:44 |
| stickster | Any time | 16:45 |
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| fugolini | ! | 16:45 |
| fabian_a | fugolini, | 16:45 |
| spevack | And maybe next year we will do that. The Czech Repbulic was chosen specially this year because it is very important that we involve the Red Hat engineers in that country more deeply in Fedora community. When we plan 2009 FUDCon EMEA, we will discuss all options for location. | 16:45 |
| spevack | GeroldKa: any place we can get a relationship with a university is very interesting to me. | 16:46 |
| spevack | we will be at a university in Brno also | 16:46 |
| spevack | EOF | 16:46 |
| red_alert | I'd also know a company in Switzerland who'd help us with some money if we'd do it here. eof | 16:46 |
| fugolini | I think it would be better to chose a city near a cheap airport, I think we have to make a list of chear airline | 16:46 |
| fugolini | *cheap airlines by country and the countries they cover | 16:46 |
| fcrippa | fugolini: +1 | 16:46 |
| spevack | fugolini: great idea | 16:46 |
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| fugolini | e.g. For Basel a flight in october cost 400€ | 16:47 |
| GeroldKa | and to Brno? | 16:47 |
| fugolini | this means that if i book the flight in september it will cost 500€ | 16:47 |
| GeroldKa | or Zurich? | 16:47 |
| GeroldKa | or Stuttgart? | 16:48 |
| fugolini | GeroldKa: Brno, direct flight 400, i think i'll take a cheap flight | 16:48 |
| kital | Mallorca | 16:48 |
| fugolini | from Wien or Prague | 16:48 |
| spevack | ! | 16:48 |
| fugolini | eof | 16:48 |
| fabian_a | spevack, | 16:48 |
| spevack | I also will travel to Paris on August 2 to meet with MrTom and as many people from the Fedora-fr community as we can gather. | 16:49 |
| MrTom | (about 15) | 16:49 |
| spevack | I am looking forward to that, because it will allow us to plan and discuss things in that country in great detail | 16:49 |
| GeroldKa | Aaarghs | 16:49 |
| GeroldKa | its 500 kms | 16:49 |
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| spevack | EOF from me | 16:52 |
| fabian_a | anything else about the upcoming FUDCon? | 16:52 |
| Milanito | we are very glad you are coming spevack | 16:52 |
| spevack | fabian_a: nothing else right now. I will email ambassadors-list when i have more updates | 16:52 |
| spevack | Milanito: me too! | 16:53 |
| fabian_a | spevack: thanks | 16:53 |
| red_alert | spevack: don't forget to mention the weekly meetings about fudcon ;) | 16:53 |
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| spevack | right. we have a weekly planning meeting on Tuesdays at 13:00 UTC in #fedora-meeting | 16:53 |
| spevack | for FUDCon Brno | 16:54 |
| spevack | red_alert: thank you :) | 16:54 |
| spevack | EOF | 16:54 |
| fabian_a | now...FAD EMEA | 16:55 |
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| fabian_a | spevack or red_alert please | 16:55 |
| spevack | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD/FADEMEA2008 | 16:56 |
| red_alert | well, we wanted to get an idea of what people think | 16:56 |
| spevack | red_alert: you go ahead :) | 16:56 |
| red_alert | how they liked/disliked about the last FAD EMEA near Basel at the German/Swiss border | 16:57 |
| red_alert | place, duration, topics, lodging, fun/fringe events, food, everything | 16:57 |
| red_alert | in order to make it even better this year, we need some feedback | 16:57 |
| red_alert | so please go to the event site that max posted above and tell us | 16:57 |
| red_alert | we'd also like to hear ideas about how to spend the budget...on travel, lodging, fun activities, ... | 16:58 |
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| wonderer1 | hy | 16:58 |
| red_alert | if you have an idea in what city we could do it and maybe have good reasons to prefer that city - tell us | 16:59 |
| red_alert | what did I forget, spevack? | 16:59 |
| spevack | there are several questions and items to comment on in the wiki page. feel free to leave your comments. | 16:59 |
| spevack | red_alert: you got it all | 16:59 |
| MrTom | ! | 17:00 |
| red_alert | questions / comments right now? | 17:00 |
| GeroldKa | I thought you want to "rename my Baby" Max | 17:00 |
| GeroldKa | as: Fedora Activity Day | 17:00 |
| spevack | GeroldKa: that is a separate idea, but it also uses the FAD acronym. I haven't had time to pursue that idea yeat | 17:01 |
| spevack | s/yeat/yet | 17:01 |
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| spevack | MrTom: | 17:01 |
| spevack | you had a comment? | 17:02 |
| * wonderer1 raises hand ;-) | 17:02 | |
| MrTom | about spending the budget, it always remains difficult to know what to spend it on. There used to have a discussion about financing lodging and not travel, so as every people are equal in the eyes of famso, however we are not equal in term of distance / travel and i think that we shloud finance traveling | 17:02 |
| wonderer1 | may I something ask. maybe I d | 17:03 |
| spevack | wonderer1: go ahead | 17:03 |
| MrTom | so as to fight againt inequalities among us. Financing travel for the farthest pple, and lodging for the closest. | 17:03 |
| MrTom | eof | 17:03 |
| spevack | wonderer1: you go, then I will respond to MrTom with my thoughts, and then see what other people think | 17:03 |
| wonderer1 | maybe i did'nt get a / the remindermail to this meeting. Or isnt there such a mail lets say hald a day before..?! | 17:04 |
| spevack | wonderer1: that was a typo, a second mail was sent out fixing it. | 17:04 |
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| spevack | wonderer1: sorry for any confusion! | 17:04 |
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| wonderer1 | spevack: Ok. because I did'nt get yet any Announcement Mail today. I think several days ago some goes over the list. Baut "today" (lets say "last reminder" ... I will check this next time ;-) Thanks. | 17:06 |
| spevack | MrTom: I tend to agree with you. Speaking in general, when I manage the Fedora budget on the whole, I try to make sure that budget goes to the people who need it the most. I also try to make sure it is generally balanced, but if one person gets more support than another, it doesn't bother me as long as everyone is getting as much help as we can give them, and as they need. | 17:06 |
| spevack | But I do not want to dictate policy for all of you. | 17:06 |
| spevack | I think that it is necessary for us to first have a full balance of the money that Fedora EMEA e.V. has. | 17:06 |
| MrTom | ! | 17:07 |
| spevack | we can add to that the money we know will come to Fedora EMEA e.V. from Red Hat and Fedora Project | 17:07 |
| spevack | and then we can decide as a group how to spend it. | 17:07 |
| spevack | one of the things I will also do in the next week or two is give a full Treasurer report for Fedora EMEA e.V. I have all the documents, I just need to go through them. | 17:07 |
| spevack | EOF | 17:07 |
| fabian_a | MrTom, | 17:07 |
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| MrTom | or maybe decide of an amount of money to give to people to help them to come, and let them decide how to give it away | 17:08 |
| MrTom | eof | 17:08 |
| wonderer1 | is maybe there a statistic how much % on small / middle / big events was spend on travel, accomondation, food & drinks, merchandising, Fedore CD/DVD, etc.? | 17:08 |
| fabian_a | wonderer1: can you please follow the meeting protocol http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/IRCHowTo#Protocol tnhanks | 17:09 |
| GeroldKa | ! | 17:09 |
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| fabian_a | GeroldKa, | 17:09 |
| GeroldKa | MrTom, I also thought about that idea | 17:09 |
| GeroldKa | but I personally follow the item | 17:09 |
| GeroldKa | the same amount for every attendee | 17:10 |
| GeroldKa | or at best pay the same amount for everyone for the room | 17:10 |
| GeroldKa | that fair to everybody and als transparent to everybody | 17:10 |
| GeroldKa | eof | 17:10 |
| spevack | ! | 17:10 |
| kital | +1 | 17:10 |
| fabian_a | spevack, | 17:10 |
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| spevack | wonderer1: we have some metrics. For LinuxTag, we have very detailed breakdowns of hotel cost, travel cost, food cost, etc. | 17:11 |
| spevack | for smaller events, we tend to give some budget to the event organizer and let that person decide how best to spend it | 17:11 |
| spevack | LinuxTag and FUDcon are special cases | 17:11 |
| wonderer1 | ! | 17:12 |
| spevack | GeroldKa: I think transparency is the key. As long as we are transparent about where the money goes, people can make comments. I believe that with the Fedora Budget the last 2.5 years (or however long I have been doing Fedora), we are the most transparent of any Linux Distribution in the world, and we will keep doing this. Also with Fedora EMEA e.V. -- I am just a little bit behind :) | 17:13 |
| spevack | EOF | 17:13 |
| fabian_a | wonderer1, | 17:13 |
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| wonderer1 | spaveck, yes thats what I mean. Can there be made some matrix as "if planing try 10% for boothrent, 25-30% travel, etc." so someone is new to that (espacially Ambassadors) can plan that. Then ther would maybe not so often be a discussion or confusion. | 17:15 |
| wonderer1 | I do planning on Europewide Events for several years | 17:15 |
| wonderer1 | but | 17:15 |
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| wonderer1 | that is often planning on a small team. At bigger events that could help i Think. Also what MrTom says "on what i can spend wich amounT" etc. can better be planned | 17:16 |
| wonderer1 | and | 17:16 |
| spevack | wonderer1: those are all good points. I can go back to the linuxTag budget and see what the percentages were. | 17:17 |
| wonderer1 | the Budget Plan someone gives to Fedora "I need xyz for this Event" could better verified and compared. | 17:17 |
| spevack | that will give some idea | 17:17 |
| wonderer1 | eof | 17:17 |
| spevack | EOF from me too. i will get back to you | 17:17 |
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| spevack | fabian_a: what else? | 17:18 |
| GeroldKa | next year, we have to pay for booth (at Linuxtag btw.) | 17:18 |
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| * kital has to go | 17:18 | |
| fabian_a | i guess we are done for today... | 17:18 |
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| fabian_a | we skip the "open floor" | 17:19 |
| spevack | GeroldKa: We will factor that into budget | 17:19 |
| spevack | GeroldKa: for next year's linuxtag | 17:19 |
| spevack | GeroldKa: and you and i will plan in advance with andrea and marion :)_ | 17:19 |
| spevack | fabian_a: I just want to say thank you for running the meeting, and thank you to everyone for coming! | 17:20 |
| fabian_a | anything else? Any more questions or issues before we close this meeting? | 17:20 |
| * wonderer1 claps hands | 17:20 | |
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| fabian_a | 5 | 17:21 |
| fabian_a | 4 | 17:21 |
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| fcrippa | can we consider 5-6-7 of September "official" and "definitive" date for FUDCon? | 17:21 |
| spevack | fcrippa: yes | 17:21 |
| fcrippa | (just in time :-) | 17:21 |
| spevack | fcrippa: we have space booked at university in Brno for those dates | 17:22 |
| fcrippa | spevack: great! | 17:22 |
| fabian_a | acc. to spevack the date is fixed | 17:22 |
| fabian_a | 1 | 17:22 |
| fabian_a | 0 | 17:22 |
| red_alert | reminder for everyone: don't forget to post your ideas about the upcoming FAD on http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD/FADEMEA2008 - we need your opinions! | 17:22 |
| fcrippa | fugolini: we can organize our trip | 17:22 |
| spevack | fabian_a: thank you! | 17:22 |
| fabian_a | Fedora Ambassadors Meeting EMEA 2008-07-16 has been adjourned. Next meeting in August 2008. | 17:22 |
| fugolini | fcrippa: perfect, i'll contect you soon | 17:22 |
| red_alert | thanks everyone for the participation, that's been the best meeting ever :) | 17:22 |
| fugolini | fabian_a: thank you | 17:22 |
| fugolini | see you soon | 17:23 |
| MEP | thx fabian_a | 17:23 |
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| fabian_a | thanks to all, see you next month | 17:23 |
| fcrippa | ...or next week for fudcon weekly meeting ;-) | 17:24 |
| fcrippa | bye | 17:24 |
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| Matias_Arg | buenas | 21:23 |
| Matias_Arg | hay reunion de fedora-latam? | 21:23 |
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