| --- Log opened Wed Oct 29 11:19:10 2008 | ||
| viking_ice | hi | 11:19 |
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| * jds2001 here | 11:19 | |
| * ke4qqq is here | 11:19 | |
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| * jds2001 is not a gentle jerkbot, clumens | 11:19 | |
| -!- wwoods changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora QA Meeting | Final freeze | 11:19 | |
| * DemonJester lurking | 11:19 | |
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| * jds2001 is a *non-gentle* jerkbot :) | 11:19 | |
| clumens | heh | 11:20 |
| wwoods | so here's where we're at: final freeze for F10 was yesterday.. which naturally means that everything got broken the night before | 11:20 |
| f13 | hi | 11:20 |
| f13 | funnily, it was all things not anaconda, and all things "fixed" without touching anaconda. | 11:20 |
| jds2001 | my inbox was filled with tag requests. | 11:21 |
| wwoods | indeed - there was a HAL bug that made anaconda freak out | 11:21 |
| wwoods | and.. maybe a NM bug? that also made anaconda freak out | 11:21 |
| wwoods | etc. | 11:21 |
| wwoods | anyway - here's the blocker list for F10Preview: | 11:21 |
| clumens | so, my work here is done? | 11:21 |
| wwoods | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/showdependencytree.cgi?id=F10Preview&hide_resolved=1 | 11:21 |
| wwoods | clumens: I dunno, is it? do you know of stuff being queued for a new anaconda build anytime soon? | 11:22 |
| clumens | we've got some pedantry fixes | 11:22 |
| wwoods | If I understand correctly, f13 is about to start a rawhide compose which should fix all yesterday's installer problems (?) | 11:22 |
| clumens | and a save-to-bugzilla fix that should help on respins | 11:22 |
| clumens | and a save-via-scp in text mode fix later. | 11:23 |
| wwoods | if everything reported to you is thought to be fixed, then we should be throwing people at the resulting images pretty hard | 11:23 |
| clumens | but nothing of critical import | 11:23 |
| wwoods | hm, okay. I wouldn't consider those Preview blockers offhand | 11:23 |
| wwoods | yeah | 11:23 |
| clumens | 466644 isn't getting fixed without some seriously creative ideas. | 11:23 |
| wwoods | that's a don't-do-that-then bug? just need to fix up the translation, I guess? | 11:24 |
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| clumens | well there's two bugs in that bug. the actual quote marks right, don't do that. | 11:24 |
| clumens | the other is that it looks like crap. and well, sorry. but it's gonna look like crap in the loader. | 11:25 |
| clumens | without said seriously creative ideas | 11:25 |
| wwoods | right | 11:25 |
| wwoods | UTF-8 in loader: not worth the effort | 11:25 |
| wwoods | or maybe that's "UTF-8 fixes". either way: oog | 11:26 |
| f13 | ok, lets drop it from the blocker lists then | 11:26 |
| wwoods | everything else seems to be plymouth/modeset stuff | 11:27 |
| wwoods | and the loop0 junk is the aforementioned HAL bug | 11:27 |
| wwoods | F10Blocker stands at 57 bugs currently (that includes sub-trackers) | 11:27 |
| wwoods | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/showdependencytree.cgi?id=F10Blocker&hide_resolved=1 | 11:27 |
| wwoods | would really love to see bug 458738 fixed | 11:28 |
| buggbot | Bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=458738 medium, medium, ---, anaconda-maint-list@redhat.com, ASSIGNED, tiny text in installer, screen hard to read | 11:28 |
| wwoods | also bug 375011, which has the distinction of being the only leftover bug from F9 that made it onto the blocker | 11:29 |
| buggbot | Bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=375011 medium, low, ---, pjones@redhat.com, ASSIGNED, Can't continue installation after running media check | 11:29 |
| wwoods | dunno if those will make PR though. sigh. | 11:30 |
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| wwoods | all of the damn press coverage focuses on the installer | 11:30 |
| clumens | funny, that | 11:31 |
| wwoods | which is nonsensical since, y'know, people should only ever see the thing once | 11:31 |
| wwoods | if ever | 11:31 |
| * wwoods dreams big | 11:31 | |
| wwoods | anyway. | 11:31 |
| clumens | is it any wonder we're all insane? | 11:31 |
| wwoods | f13: how long 'til we get Preview candidate images? or is that what's being composed right now | 11:32 |
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| clumens | you guys mind if i add another bug to the f10 blocker? | 11:34 |
| wwoods | if you think it's a blocker, go for it | 11:34 |
| wwoods | you know the typical criteria | 11:34 |
| clumens | 468885, added | 11:34 |
| wwoods | (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/ReleaseCriteria, for the record) | 11:34 |
| clumens | well it is a... REGRESSION!!! | 11:35 |
| wwoods | aiiieeee! the R word! | 11:35 |
| wwoods | NFS installs failing, eh | 11:35 |
| jds2001 | oh no! | 11:35 |
| jds2001 | :( | 11:35 |
| wwoods | we do have a matrix ready: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/TestResults/Fedora10Install/Preview | 11:35 |
| wwoods | I'll be creating similar results pages for live images | 11:36 |
| wwoods | and Features, I guess, although the Feature list has changed a bunch | 11:36 |
| f13 | wwoods: sortof. Rawhide today should be close to preview, minus signed packages. | 11:36 |
| jlaska | wwoods: I'm almost wondering if we should not split this out by arch | 11:37 |
| * jlaska fears we are setting the bar too high | 11:37 | |
| jds2001 | jlaska: issue is that we get i386 and x86_64 pretty easily. | 11:37 |
| jlaska | right | 11:38 |
| jds2001 | ppc is hard for lack of hardware | 11:38 |
| jlaska | "and traces of nuts." :) | 11:38 |
| * jds2001 recruits wwoods to bang away at his mini for hours and do all the ppc testing :) | 11:38 | |
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| wwoods | my mini is: a) x86, and b) dead | 11:39 |
| jds2001 | oh, well nvm then :) | 11:39 |
| wwoods | so... no. but I have a dual G5 power mac! | 11:39 |
| jwb | what? | 11:39 |
| jds2001 | ok, even better! | 11:39 |
| jwb | i've been testing rawhide on a G5 | 11:40 |
| jwb | it's been ok | 11:40 |
| jlaska | jwb: I still can't netboot (ppc64.img) or yaboot (ppc/ppc64/{vmlinuz,ramdisk.image.gz}) working from OF ... can you? | 11:40 |
| * jlaska current on firmware | 11:40 | |
| jwb | no, but there are patches floating around for that | 11:41 |
| jwb | it has to do with adding notes to the file images and crap | 11:41 |
| jwb | there is no "solution" yet | 11:41 |
| jlaska | oh yes, addnote fun :) | 11:41 |
| jwb | also, isos and yaboot work fine. so... trying hard to really care about a bug that has existed since FC6... | 11:42 |
| jwb | :) | 11:42 |
| jwb | (and i have on hardware to test that specific thing on) | 11:42 |
| jlaska | it just limits how I can test fedora ppc on all the hardware in our labs | 11:42 |
| wwoods | yeah splitting the tests by arch makes the list waaay long | 11:43 |
| jwb | you can't tftp from yaboot? | 11:43 |
| wwoods | and makes coverage look really spotty | 11:43 |
| jlaska | jwb: that's waht I was saying ... that doesn't work for me now using fedora images | 11:44 |
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| jlaska | jwb: not sure if there's a newer yaboot to try | 11:44 |
| jwb | oh, i forgot that yaboot just calls OF there | 11:44 |
| jwb | right? | 11:44 |
| jlaska | I'm using the one I use internally for yaboot'ing *all* RHEL images ... isn't working for F10 | 11:44 |
| jlaska | I tried the yaboot provided in the F10 media, that wasn't happy either | 11:44 |
| jlaska | dunno if there's some funky OF settings that need to be adjusted | 11:45 |
| jlaska | not sure if dwmw2 would know | 11:45 |
| * dwmw2 knows nothing | 11:45 | |
| jwb | i'll bug the maintainers about it. we can stop hijacking wwoods' meeting | 11:45 |
| jlaska | okay, thanks! | 11:45 |
| wwoods | ppc is still a (semi-)primary arch and I want to make sure all 8 of its users are happy | 11:46 |
| wwoods | heh | 11:46 |
| jwb | other than that case, it seems to be working well enough | 11:46 |
| wwoods | mostly because known fedora ppc users are all crazy ninjas | 11:46 |
| jwb | fixed some kernel and glibc bugs last week, so things should be in not DOOM state | 11:46 |
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| wwoods | so - should we re-merge the x86_64/i386/ppc stuff on the results matrix | 11:48 |
| wwoods | for better info density | 11:48 |
| wwoods | or leave it as-is? | 11:48 |
| jlaska | I'm okay with pulling into one section, w/ optional columns for arch if we want? | 11:49 |
| wwoods | yeah, per-arch columns sounds fine | 11:50 |
| wwoods | sure wish we had testopia back | 11:50 |
| jds2001 | we now hold a moment of silence for testopia. | 11:51 |
| wwoods | thank you. | 11:52 |
| wwoods | anyway | 11:52 |
| wwoods | we'll talk more about plans for new tools and stuff when we're not, y'know, in the final freeze for a release | 11:52 |
| wwoods | I don't like how much time I have to spend saying that | 11:53 |
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| jds2001 | let's talk at fudcon again. | 11:53 |
| jds2001 | i know that dmalcolm is working on something, not sure what. | 11:53 |
| viking_ice | you do that.. just remember to share it with the rest of the world.. | 11:53 |
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| wwoods | viking_ice: indeed we will - as we tried to do with testopia, alas | 11:54 |
| wwoods | there were other things we talked about at FUDCon - like plans for testing rawhide to make sure it's more useful more often | 11:54 |
| wwoods | which we haven't had time to implement fully | 11:54 |
| wwoods | but we'll get more work done on that later | 11:55 |
| jwb | what happened with testopia? | 11:55 |
| wwoods | I could find a reference to the specific plans if anyone was interested | 11:55 |
| wwoods | jwb: parts of it are under fedora-incompatible licenses | 11:55 |
| wwoods | it can't be packaged for Fedora and thus we can't use it | 11:55 |
| jwb | sad clown | 11:55 |
| wwoods | mostly it's the UI bits | 11:56 |
| wwoods | honestly, though, I think we could implement a subset of its features, add some neato stuff that would work better for us | 11:57 |
| jds2001 | yeah, the ExtJS javascript library | 11:57 |
| wwoods | and have something better (and lighter-weight) than testopia | 11:57 |
| wwoods | if we can bring other parts of the fedora project (intrastructure/websites/artwork) to it | 11:57 |
| viking_ice | Does anyone know if kms inte will or can ( hence be forced ) to make it into final "Everything is going to be filled with I dont get these fancy graphic to work on my computer" | 11:58 |
| wwoods | it's not going to make it. | 11:58 |
| wwoods | in fact, radeon might need to be off-by-default. | 11:58 |
| viking_ice | is it ready if so can we make it make it.. | 11:58 |
| wwoods | it's not ready. | 11:58 |
| wwoods | nowhere near it. | 11:59 |
| wwoods | might land sometime before F11. | 11:59 |
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| viking_ice | well then I guess the best to have nomodetset set by default | 11:59 |
| wwoods | viking_ice: right, that's part of the plan - see bug 468879 | 12:00 |
| buggbot | Bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=468879 medium, medium, ---, airlied@redhat.com, ASSIGNED, ATI needs to opt in for -nr support now | 12:00 |
| wwoods | oh wait | 12:00 |
| viking_ice | treat all equally hence save us from dealing with all the intel and nvidia users | 12:00 |
| wwoods | duh. that's something else | 12:00 |
| wwoods | ignore me! | 12:00 |
| wwoods | anyway it's been discussed. | 12:00 |
| wwoods | airlied seems to think that radeon modesetting will be much better in preview, so we'll give that a shot and discuss again shortly | 12:01 |
| viking_ice | I know it's been getting better.. | 12:01 |
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| viking_ice | we have had several complaints about this not working on the test-list so you can image the load on #fedora and fedoraforums.. | 12:02 |
| viking_ice | as in it not working for intel and nvidia owners.. | 12:03 |
| jwb | radeon modesetting isn't really the problem | 12:04 |
| viking_ice | you cant introduce bling bling if everbody cant use it.. | 12:05 |
| wwoods | anyway, the idea of turning modeset off for radeon has been talked about | 12:05 |
| wwoods | it will be revisited soon | 12:06 |
| wwoods | after people have had a chance to test with new stuff | 12:06 |
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| wwoods | anyway, err | 12:09 |
| wwoods | I don't have anything else for this meeting | 12:09 |
| wwoods | there is much testing to do | 12:09 |
| wwoods | I recommend CCing yourself on the blockers if you want to stay on top of it | 12:09 |
| wwoods | and #fedora-devel is where proposed freeze-breaks will be discussed by rel-eng | 12:10 |
| wwoods | we'll have images soon, rawhide will match with preview.. tomorrow, I guess? | 12:10 |
| f13 | well, this afternoon hopefully | 12:12 |
| wwoods | oh nice. | 12:12 |
| f13 | it'll be preview content, minus signed packages | 12:12 |
| f13 | and well minus anything we find between now and then that's broken. | 12:12 |
| wwoods | so that should hit the master mirror in 5-6 hrs and start syncing from there? | 12:12 |
| f13 | yeah | 12:12 |
| wwoods | cool. | 12:12 |
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| wwoods | are we planning to put candidate disc images on a torrent or anything? | 12:13 |
| wwoods | or should QA-team folks hang in #fedora-qa if they want the magic URL for candidates images | 12:13 |
| wwoods | geg | 12:13 |
| wwoods | err, 'heh' | 12:14 |
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| f13 | probably hang here. | 12:18 |
| wwoods | 'kay. | 12:19 |
| f13 | I was thinking about doing a pungi spin using the static-repo to pick up the latest fixes | 12:19 |
| wwoods | okay then. #fedora-qa if you want to get the fressshest bits | 12:20 |
| wwoods | for now I need to eat before I have another meeting | 12:21 |
| wwoods | any other business can go to #fedora-qa | 12:21 |
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| wwoods | thanks! | 12:21 |
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